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permalink #201 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 23 Jan 25 07:04
permalink #201 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 23 Jan 25 07:04
I just wish folks who are spending so much energy and attention on the "Nazi salute" controversy would give it a rest. It's the kind of convenient distraction that sucks attention away from actions that have real consequences. If there was any intention behind that salute, it was probably a "flood the zone" move intended fill our heads with outrage while Trump is pardoning rioters and drug dealers and removing the US from the World Health Organization. Those are the kinds of things we should focus on, not Musk's controversial histrionics.
This bodes ill - posted by another Wellbeing in the <media.> conference: CNN Boss Warns Star Hosts to Avoid Trashing Trumps Record ----- [Thompson] does not want them endlessly poking the eye of the sitting president and believes that Trump should be shown some deference, Darcy wrote. And he has made it clear that he wants the MAGA movement to have a seat at the table when discussing political topics... even if certain pundits do use the platform to make incendiary and sometimes false claims." More: <https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/cnn-boss-warns-star-hosts-to-avoid-tra shing-trump-s-record/ar-AA1xERjp> The key here is what's "covering" and what's "trashing". Doing one properly and transparently is going to sound an awful lot like the other. Meanwhile, the amount of content coming out of the Contrarian is overwhelming, to say the least. Good content, from what I've been able to check out, and they're clearly doing important work. But there's no keeping out. I hope they go to a once-a-day model: a daily release, all that content in one swoop. Would be more useful.
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permalink #203 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 07:26
permalink #203 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 07:26
Also - for every Contrarian or Bulwark, there are dozens of smaller publications that have been and are still doing the work. For instance, at DeSmog we are featuring a new investigation of "Donald Trumps Transatlantic Anti-Green Network" : https://www.desmog.com/2025/01/21/mapped-donald-trump-transatlantic-anti-green -network/
>I hope they go to a once-a-day model I actually appreciate the steady drip, myself. It pulls focus throughout the cycle and works to flood the zone with shinola. With so much ill wind blowing from the new misadministration (and the Vichy Press calling the stench a fragrance), a vigorous counterpoise from the Contrarian (and others, pace Emily) promptly offers the anxious citizen a refuge.
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permalink #205 of 242: John Coate (tex) Thu 23 Jan 25 08:49
permalink #205 of 242: John Coate (tex) Thu 23 Jan 25 08:49
> steady drip That is the expectation now..you must update as the news cycle progresses through the day. Very expensive to do that, but seems necessary. My main news comes from the Guardian, supplemented by AP, SF Chronicle and SF Gate and the Sonoma County Press Democrat. In addition I read Krugman's email newsletter, Amanda Marcotte from Salon, headlines via email from the LA Times and Doctorow's Plura-list. Then I follow links here and there. But if I had to go with just one it would be the Guardian. They keep their eye on the ball. Like today they reported on Trump's usual BS in interviews and such, but also right up there above the fold is a link to the real heart of the matter: "Republicans reportedly ready to cut Medicaid funding to pay for Trump plans," and "Big oil spent $445m in last election cycle to influence Trump and Congress, report says," as two examples. Maybe because they are British-owned, but they are not intimidated by whatever it is that intimidates outfits like USA Today as one example, or that TV station that fired the weather person for criticizing the Nazi salute on social media. About that salute: there was never a "Roman Salute" such as seen in movies. It came from the David painting "The Oath of the Horatii" which hangs in the Louve. It was adopted by Mussolini and later the Nazis. Maybe everyone knows that already. But to call it a Roman Salute is essentially sanewashing it. It is the salute of absolute loyalty to a cause, sure, but here in the 21st century everyone knows what that cause really is. Saying otherwise is apologetic.
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permalink #206 of 242: David Gans (tnf) Thu 23 Jan 25 08:53
permalink #206 of 242: David Gans (tnf) Thu 23 Jan 25 08:53
hell yes
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permalink #207 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 23 Jan 25 10:05
permalink #207 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 23 Jan 25 10:05
---> I would bet serious money that people at major news outlets, including the NYT and ProPublica, are doing big investigative projects on Musk's business holdings, ventures and practices as we speak. I think yesterday's story on RFK Jr. retaining interest in a major vaccine lawsuit suggests that they are diving into a lot of this stuff: <https://www.nytimes.com/2025/01/22/us/politics/rfk-hpv-vaccine- merck.html?searchResultPosition=3>
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permalink #208 of 242: someone who just sucked on a dill pickle (wendyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 10:26
permalink #208 of 242: someone who just sucked on a dill pickle (wendyg) Thu 23 Jan 25 10:26
Dan: what I mean is that Musk is trolling - setting the agenda by being outrageous and "look over here". I'd rather look where he doesn't want me to. wg
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permalink #209 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 23 Jan 25 10:31
permalink #209 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 23 Jan 25 10:31
Yes, what I was suggesting in <201>.
I agree that it was misdirection and preening for the flock (and upstaging Bluto). I remain persuaded that it demands full throated condemnation from every media property seeking to justify a reputation for principle.
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permalink #211 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 11:00
permalink #211 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 11:00
Just a note on Newspapers in Lake County -- population about 75,000 Area is somewhat depressed, large welfare / elder population. Wild guess : about 25,000 in the "newspaper" demographic We have two daily print papers - Record Bee (Media News Group) : been downsizing but still has an active news staff of about four plus stringers. Syndicated regional/national news. - Santa Rosa Press Democrat (locally owned) : regularly covers "bigger" Lake news, and is on news stands. Online - Lakeconews : general local news. Regularly reports on local government - The Bloom : arts, restaurants etc Media - KPFZ 88.1 FM - community radio, nearly all local (3 or 4 feeds) - KMOB-LP : one man operation - Ch 8 : Community cable Other: - Movie Theater with a summer drive-in! - Theater with regular classic movies I think they are all financially stable right now.
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permalink #212 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 11:03
permalink #212 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 11:03
I forgot to mention: Facebook is very big for local news, particularly events. Many group pages, mostly well moderated.
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permalink #213 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 19:55
permalink #213 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 19:55
Way off topic ... but some friends came up with a "salute" graphic <https://www.facebook.com/lisabagel/posts/pfbid0GPREZb8sGBFsT6BL1eRTDmPsYDuwr7D TjsKwbsMHAzx3tKvs4HyGHMZ8HJKVGm4kl> Angle of arm: Down: rest Rising : pet dog, pet children Horizontal: call taxi 45 degrees up : Nazi Maybe : roman, mussolini, hitler Up: call waiter
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permalink #214 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 19:56
permalink #214 of 242: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Thu 23 Jan 25 19:56
> sanewashing !!!
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permalink #215 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 24 Jan 25 08:31
permalink #215 of 242: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 24 Jan 25 08:31
Dan, John, Paula and others who teach - What are your students interested in pursuing after they graduate? Are they more beat-oriented (business, environment, labor, science, local vs national or international and so on), or medium-oriented: newspapers, magazines, radio stations, TV news? How interested are they in working via the newer news ecosystem of newsletters, podcasting, straight-to-social reporting (YouTube channels, say) or entrepreneurial ventures?
I'd like to piggyback onto that: what's their take on - what are their beliefs about - the employment landscape they'll step into? Do they see a path to getting a dream job, or distinguish between what they want and what's possible? I'm thinking about the radio world I joined and what happened to it, and wonder what I'd be willing to aspire to today without seeing myself up for heartache.
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permalink #217 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Fri 24 Jan 25 19:16
permalink #217 of 242: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Fri 24 Jan 25 19:16
My students understand they are looking at a very tough business, but the ones who are most eager to get into journalism are already too busy producing journalism to worry too much about it. One of my better students has been writing for the Austin American-Statesman while carrying a full course load; his byline is there and in other publications. He liked writing about the environment and climate change in my course, but recognizes that he's got to be able and willing to do everything, and so he is. A surprising number of my journalism students plan to go to law school but want to be able to write clearly about complicated things. They like the fact that I went to law school and passed the bar; I give them shit about betraying me, but they know I just want them to succeed in whatever career they choose. And I write a lot of law school recommendations. The ones who expect to work in journalism are trying everything â we have a great podcasting training program, and it gets very enthusiastic students; there's broadcast and courses in newsletters and social media work. They want to be able to say they can sit down at just about any desk and get to work. I tell them that when I was finishing up my law degree I asked my wife if she minded if I tried being a journalist first. "If at the end of 5 years I've got a real job with a dental plan, I'd like to stick with it. If I don't, I can always do cheap divorces." She said yes, and I had the job two years later. My point to the students is that if they want to do this, they owe it to themselves to try. But they should also be ready to do something else if it doesn't work.
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permalink #218 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Fri 24 Jan 25 19:37
permalink #218 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Fri 24 Jan 25 19:37
One thing the rickety structure of contemporary journalism has done is to eliminate students who weren't serious about journalism. Anyone who thought it was a lark, thought it was glam, didn't know what else to do so figured how can it hurt to get a master's degree in a year -- those folks don't show up any more. They don't even apply. The ones who are left -- and there are fewer -- are serious about the mission. Like John's students at UT, the Columbia group (grad students only) will pretty much try anything to get in the door. The program sort of encourages that. We used to have these concentrations -- newspaper, magazine, broadcast, photojournalism. No more. It's understood that you have to be flexible and self-starting and sometimes entrepreneurial, willing and able to work in a variety of media in a variety of places. So I don't hear a lot of "Im gonna write about climate for The Atlantic" or "I'd like to cover the auto industry for Bloomberg." They just want to work, to get started, and they'll figure out specializations later or maybe beats will find them. Meanwhile, they'd better learn how to report and write and take photos and do audio and know the law and have some data skills and get some on the ground practice, because they're in New York in August and they're out mid-May. They're pretty awesome, too. They give you hope.
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permalink #219 of 242: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Fri 24 Jan 25 21:46
permalink #219 of 242: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Fri 24 Jan 25 21:46
That's great to hear.
It is. With some fascinating nuggets in there - law school ambitions, and eliminating concentrations in favor of bestowing a larger skill set. Both smart.
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permalink #221 of 242: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 24 Jan 25 23:08
permalink #221 of 242: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 24 Jan 25 23:08
It's good training for political occupations, too.
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permalink #222 of 242: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sat 25 Jan 25 08:26
permalink #222 of 242: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sat 25 Jan 25 08:26
Any folks here have thoughts on how the big wire services, AP and Reuters are doing? I read their stuff a lot and AP in particular appears to be super robust, but what do I know?
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permalink #223 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 25 Jan 25 08:40
permalink #223 of 242: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 25 Jan 25 08:40
John mentioned his student that's writing for the Austin American-Statesman, and it occurred to me to wonder just how much local staff AAS uses, and how the content they produce is leveraged along with the USA Today content included as a Gannett publication. The word on the street is that Gannett has destroyed local coverage by acquiring local papers and turning them into USA Today clones, but it appears to me that there's quite a bit of good local reporting in the Statesman, quite a bit of local staff. And apparently the Statesman still publishes a half dozen satellite weeklies: The Bastrop Advertiser, Smithville Times, Westlake Picayune, Lake Travis View, Round Rock Leader, and Pflugerville Pflag. Is the Statesman an exception within the Gannett properties?
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permalink #224 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 25 Jan 25 09:04
permalink #224 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 25 Jan 25 09:04
Back to students for a moment: I just sent off a recommendation for a former student to Report for America, the second in two weeks (applications due next month). It reminded me of this innovation, which began in 2017 and thus far has placed more than 650 reporters in almost 400 newsrooms around the country, usually the small ones that most need bolstering. RFA pays half their salaries, the local newsrooms and donors pay the other half. The reporters commit for two years. They get serious on the ground training and experience, and the news organization gets to report on important stuff they may lack the staff and time to undertake otherwise. https://www.reportforamerica.org/about-us/ It's another hopeful development, and I admit to looking for those amid the alarming developments for the news biz. A number of Columbia grads go this route. Probably some at UT, also.
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permalink #225 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 25 Jan 25 09:07
permalink #225 of 242: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 25 Jan 25 09:07
I should add that when you look at the reporters selected last year, it's clear that Report for America also helps diversify the nation's newsrooms.
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