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permalink #451 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Wed 11 Jul 01 07:43
permalink #451 of 2008: Angelina Venti (velvetraisin) Wed 11 Jul 01 07:43
Rani--Having a horrifing time trying to imagine what that child would look like. It seems that I've slipped back into a minor case of lurkdom. I feel shy again. I'm sure I'll come out of it again soon. Angelina.
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permalink #452 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 08:19
permalink #452 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 08:19
Rani, Angela - I'd like to think I'd be the love child of Neil and Bilquis... (oh, no, I just realized that Neil killed off my mama!)
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permalink #453 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:40
permalink #453 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:40
I'm truly sorry I said anything. Because, of course, I meant the *questioning* aspect of the relationship, not the relatedness part of the relationship. But, whatever, carry on, if you must. <sighing, wandering off distractedly, wondering when the next spaceship to Mars might be and if there's room for me aboard.>
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permalink #454 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:41
permalink #454 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 11 Jul 01 09:41
E-mail from Michaela: Hello everybody! I hope you don't mind my intrusion *shy smile*. I have been lurking on and off (more on than off actually) for the last few months, but I always felt that it's not quite fair to barge into this without even being registered. I still do. But. I have to make an exception today and risk your disapproval. Where to start? Introducing myself might be an idea. I am a student of literature and I hope to finish next spring - I am German, and in Germany it can take you quite a LONG time to study - you tend to get lost somewhere on the way, not knowing what to do, where to go, what is expected. So you spend some time trying to sort that out - and since nobody actually cares how long you take, it takes even longer. Since I got married inbetween and changed universities, I am now quite desperate to finally do my finals - but I will be getting there. More importantly, which is why I've been getting my nerve up to e-mail this post, I am right now in a state of extreme happiness/excitement/nervousness because tomorrow I'll be boarding the ferry that is going to take me to England - and on Saturday I will be at the Canterbury signing! It took quite some organising, since a trip to England is not that cheap, you either have to take an airplane or a ferry, I'd hate that canal if England weren't so charming, last not least because of it being an island. But since you lucky people in America have somehow lured Neil over to your continent, I had to grab this chance to see and hear him - aren't you ashamed of keeping this charming British person so far away from the old world? ;) I have been a fan of Sandman for a few years, a friend introduced me to it - I don't normally read comics, so I would have missed out if I had not had my nose pushed into them. Since then, I have tried to get my hands on everything he has written. In the very near future I have to write my final paper - it is going to be about Faerie in modern Fantasy Literature. When I started researching for it, I noticed that at least two relevant novels had introductions by Neil - in fact I only bought one of them because Amazon listed it as a search result for "Neil Gaiman". So I decided that asking could not hurt and I had an e-mail forwarded to him, asking whether there were titles he'd recommend looking for. I was so thrilled when I actually had an answer in my mailbox a few days later. It helped me a lot and I was really impressed - what a nice guy.. but I am not telling anybody here anything new, I know. If I can speak at all when I meet him and if it is not such a huge line - I really felt for you, Erynn, when I read about your experience - I hope to be able to thank him personally. From what I've read, the UK signings are a bit smaller than the US ones. Sorry this has become such a long post. But I had to tell somebody understanding - people around here just don't see why I am going to so much trouble just to go to a signing, in England of all places ;) I hope to stay around - I hope to buy Marthas book when I have the money to spare - unfortunately Amazon Germany doesn't stock it - so I have to order it in the US :( But from what I've read so far, I am dying to lay my hands on a copy! Thanks for your patience - michaela
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permalink #455 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:00
permalink #455 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:00
Linda - I'm not sorry at all, it's been great fun. :D Michaela- Hi! Neil *is* a great guy... but y'all can't have him back, there's more of us over here.
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permalink #456 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:35
permalink #456 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:35
Well, hell, I'm a nasty train wreck between Walt Disney and Edward Gorey, so I don't think a Neil Gaiman - David Bowie love child would be _that_ weird. NG and DB may think differently, of course.
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permalink #457 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:39
permalink #457 of 2008: Dan Wilson (stagewalker) Wed 11 Jul 01 10:39
Pamela - somthing big?? Like my ego? eeep! Mary - My Italian (is that italian) is a bit off... in bocca al lupo? The wolves play bocce? Linda - I have no idea. The only reason I have the chutzpa to advertise it at all here is because the Bay Area Well Contingent expressed a desire to gather and make it an event. Rani - the question begs... who would have carried the children? Neil or David? (humming... "we could be mothers... just for one day") Michalea - welcome!
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permalink #458 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 11:25
permalink #458 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Wed 11 Jul 01 11:25
No, Dan, the real question is: Which would you rather have nurse you, and change your diapers?
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permalink #459 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 11 Jul 01 11:38
permalink #459 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Wed 11 Jul 01 11:38
Dan- I think 'in bocca al lupo' means 'into the mouth of the wolf', and if it doesn't, I'm pretty sure that's what Mary meant (sorry to step on your virtual toes and answer, Mary; I actually just read it the other day, while I've been researching wolves [my next novel, *Scent of Thunder*, is a police-procedural-whodunit-with-a-werewolf, which has been *a lot* of fun to consider, and go over, let me tell you]). Michaela- welcome! Can I take your coat? I do hope you'll no longer lurk (by the way, did you see Hastur, and Ligur? They were lurking, too, last I heard). And I *so* envy you, seeing Neil in Canterbury (man, that's just *such* a literary place, and there's just no escaping it). I only saw Neil at the World Trade Center, which is only cool if you take it as literally as if it had appeared in Neverwhere, with Nightsbridge, and the Abbey, and Earl's Court, and wonder just who, exactly, is trading worlds over there... On the cool side of things, Newsweek just ran a cover story about how popular Christian-related things are getting, which is great for me because my second novel chronicles two young people's going back in time to save Jesus of Nazareth... me feels the time is right. And a mixed note; my friend's band that I'd been going to see, Cocapelli, is no more. I mourn their loss, and you can read it, if you'd like, at www.cocapelli.com ... I even got a reference to Neil in, if that will entice you further.
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permalink #460 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 11 Jul 01 11:54
permalink #460 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Wed 11 Jul 01 11:54
Michaela: Hello and welcome! I'm so excited for to meet Neil; it was such a wonderful experience for me. He seems to be a lot more rested for the UK tour, too. Let us know how it goes! BTW, it took me eight years to finish my undergraduate degree, what with switching majors and schools and stopping to work. So, hang in there! I was so proud of myself when I graduated. (Pam, who's wishing she could get there, too, by just hopping a ferry.) Mary R: Thanks. I'll toddle off and get hold of _The Wooden Sea_, then. Dan: No, no, not your ego! Like, attendance records, maybe. Seriously, hope the show's huge. Adriana: Isn't that weird? I lost Kevin at Booksoup for a while, too, because he'd gone off to check the truck parking and I'd made it through the line, meantime. All: Taking a moment to plug an author. Which is still on topic, Martha, I swear, because she's credited by Neil in _AG_. Read Kelly Link. She's got a new book coming out end of this month, called _Stranger Things Happen_, which you can order from Amazon.com. Not sure what kind of release she's going to get in the chain bookstores. She's wacky and utterly wonderful. -Pam <streeeeetching the topic for all she's worth> "The girl detective has saved the world on at least three separate occasions. Not that she is bragging." --Kelly Link, _The Girl Detective_
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permalink #461 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 11 Jul 01 23:30
permalink #461 of 2008: Mary Roane (the-roane) Wed 11 Jul 01 23:30
Howdy! Michaela--Welcome! If I could spell Wilkommen, I'd write that too, but I can't ;-) Will--exactly, grazie (we have now used up all my non-menu Italian) Dan-- it does mean "in the mouth of the wolf" and is the "break a leg" of the opera set. "Merde" is the ballet version. I love all these traditions. My rapper friend, Vince says in rap it's "rock tha house". So that too! Basically, all good wishes, and a blessing from St. Genesius to boot! Will-but they're Olympic level lurkers, aren't they? :-) Pamela--I've heard other novels of his are better to start with, but I'm just glad I started... I think I've just convinced 2 other friends to get AG--mostly by sending them pictures of the signings. Whatever works. Mary (who thinks that the aforementioned love child would be astonishingly beautiful)
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permalink #462 of 2008: dianna (jonl) Thu 12 Jul 01 08:13
permalink #462 of 2008: dianna (jonl) Thu 12 Jul 01 08:13
Email from dianna: Hi everyone. It's been wonderful reading all your signing stories and such. i've just been lurking quietly and enjoying :) Thankyou. Will and Dan - (going back a bit to your posts on #116) You made me laugh so hard wrt the Lucifer/pom/gay thing in Sandman. i thought that Americans called British people poms or pommies too - but to my surprise it seems you don't! They got the name for having rosy apple cheeks - apples being pommes in French - which of course does not explain how Australians came by the use of the term. If Lucifer were being asked about his sexuality - the word would likely have been poof or poofter. All of this is leading to a question i have... Way back, when the Great Barrier Reef came up in conversation momentarily, i came across a website (National Geographic) that stated, quite officially, that Australians call Americans SEPPOS. Having never heard the term used in that way before, i started asking around. It seems to be unanimous - we don't. Yanks are Americans, Seppos are separatist lesbians. Does Seppo have another meaning in the US? Pardon me wandering waaay off topic. I just had to ask :) from dianna, survivor of a timely storm (two weeks ago) which took the roof off her home, really.
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permalink #463 of 2008: Tori Bat (jonl) Thu 12 Jul 01 08:22
permalink #463 of 2008: Tori Bat (jonl) Thu 12 Jul 01 08:22
Email from Tori Bat: Hello All~ I'm at work here in the museum...its been a slow morning, but a great one! I've been creativly dry for months now. unhappy about it but I woke up this morning from a great dream... and now I have a big creative storm! (yeay Dream doesnt hate me!) *laugh* I've been planning and envisioning my new art project all morning! and boy is it a project! *laugh* I need money! all the money I'm making at work right now is going to my parents and towards my friend, Norma's wedding! Which is next weekend (21st) I'm so excited! I've never been to a wedding before, let alone IN one~ (I'm a bridesmaid) The bridal shower is this weekend...and I have SO much to do! but I'm at work, reading. My mom gave me this really neat "southern vampire mystery" book... (I love/collect) vampire books... anyway...this one is by Charlaine Harris and its called "Dead Until Dark" very good so far... anyway back to work--> customers. *HUGS* Tori Bat!
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permalink #464 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Jul 01 08:49
permalink #464 of 2008: Linda Castellani (castle) Thu 12 Jul 01 08:49
E-mail from Michaela: JaNell- I still think it's not fair that you people keep monopolising him, even if there's more of you .. at least take good care of him in the meantime (he might just move back one day, you never know ;) ) Umm - hi Neil, I do realise that you are not public property, no offense meant *smile* Will - thanks, keep it safe for me :) I am very happy to go to Canterbury as well. I had planned from the beginning to go to a smaller town if I could. I figured that it wouldn't draw as much of a crowd as London would, and besides, I have never been to Canterbury before. My backup plan would have been London, because it is always possible to get a cheapish ticket to London. Unfortunately London was the very first signing, so when all my plans fell apart last week, I was really in a panic - the London signing was over and I had to find a way to somehow get to England, get to Canterbury (British public transport is not that cheap) without ending up broke. This now involves taking the 22h ferry from Hamburg - at least I live near Hamburg, no problem there - driving 266km from the east of England to somewhere midwest, picking up my husband, who's working there for a few days, driving back east to Canterbury (about 350km) next day. Don't ask me WHY this is the perfect solution, but it is ;) Fortunately, I have an understanding husband who likes Neil's stuff as well, even if he is less fanatic about it than I am. Pamela - I think when I finally finish I will have studied for about that many years as well - I really shouldn't think about it. I think this has become a going-out-of-lurking-post - I will tell you about my week-end in England when I get back .. have to finish packing now. Trying to decide whether to pick AG to reread for the ferry (it will be boring - the 22h trip on my own, not the book!), or maybe Angels&Visitations. Michaela
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permalink #465 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:10
permalink #465 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:10
Diana- Hmm let's see- I can't speak for every region, or everyone, but , at least here in the South East: British: Brit, Limey, Anglo (as in 'Anglophilic", or "Anglophobic') Lesbians: Lesbo, dyke (if mannish), Lizzie/Lezzie; the vast majority of my female friend are gay or bi, so hopefully, they won't swat me Gay men: Fag, Queen (if very feminine), Mary, Flamer (if openly, flamboyantly gay) Gay/Bi in general: Friend of Mary, Goes To Our Church, Alternative Lifestyle (which can also include Pagans, and environmentalists, and such) I guess SEPPO works because of the close pronunciation to "Sappho", or 'Sapphic"... Do y'all use "FemiNazi" as an insult, like for a woman who gets offended if you open a door for her? Most of the terms are terribly insulting, I guess. And I'm NOT a Yank, honey- them's fightin' words down here, so never refer to anyone south of the Mason-Dixon as a Yank, we're Americans, or Southerners, or in my case, a hillbilly just a few generations away from the novel _Christy_... Hi, Tori Bat, my oldest will be volunteering down there soon as part of his civics project... Michaela - we all *try* to take good care of him, so he'll stay, but I'm afraid that I'm a little rough on him sometimes myself because I try treat him like a friend, not an idol, and therefore make unreasonable demands like I do on everyone else. Like answering questions if I'm interested enough to ask them, and teasing him, and occasionally telling him I want to give him a good whack if he's being annoying... hopefully he still loves me anyway... *Sigh*
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permalink #466 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:21
permalink #466 of 2008: Robynne (gorey) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:21
No, the only people who use "feminazi" as an insult are the far right- wingers.
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permalink #467 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:27
permalink #467 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:27
Dan--to add to the Boca al Lupo thing, i learned that phrase the cool and creepy way. i was wandering Tuscany and walked into a remote inn somewhere and told the lady i needed food, and that i was a singer. this woman was older than the hills, and looked as if she herself had control of the Evil Eye. anyways, she took my face and kissed both cheeks and said "In Boca al Lupo," and looked at me, waiting. i didn't know what was supposed to happen next, and i could tell there was a protocol i was missing. she looked nervous and whispered that i must say "Crepi il Lupo," which means basically "may the wolf choke." so i said it, and only then could i enter the house. incidentally, i had the greatest food of my life there. but that's a different story. so apparently the full line is : in the mouth of the wolf, and may the wolf choke. which is really lovely. may we see the abyss and know its depths, yet come through unharmed.
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permalink #468 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:49
permalink #468 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 09:49
Robynne, I never realized that I was a far right winger... learn something new every day, I guess. Seriously, though, I've never called myself a feminist because it's so limiting... all these restrictions and expectations... which I thought was what feminists were fighting against, but it seems that they only want to replace male restrictions on female behavior with their own. At least that's how it seemed to me, growing up in the seventies... women getting castigated for staying home with their children, or even having children... men who opened doors, or said ma'am... where I was raised, that's just good manners, you open the door for children, parents (either sex) with toddlers or baby strollers, pregnant women, the elderly, people with packages, and so on... My friends and I *do* use the term 'FemiNazi" for women who militantly and rudely refuse, and become verbally abusive of, common, nonsexist politeness... there are already *plenty* of things to call rude men. ;) Adriana - it is a lovely saying, and one I wholeheartedly agree with.
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permalink #469 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 12 Jul 01 10:22
permalink #469 of 2008: Pamela Basham (pamela-bird) Thu 12 Jul 01 10:22
God, Adriana, that is gorgeous. Thank you so much for sharing that. Your interpretation was especially rich. Maybe Neil will put the whole phrase in the little-old-lady's werewolves story he threatens to write in _Smoke and Mirrors_ (I can't remember her name--from _Chivalry_); it sounds like just the thing. I'm so fascinated by your story. Did you literally sing for your supper? Why were you wandering around Tuscany hungry? I'm getting, like, a musical version of _A Room With a View_ in my head, starring you, directed by Neil. -Pam "Italians Drive Them" --_ARWAV_ (This is important for certain destinations.)
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permalink #470 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 12 Jul 01 10:31
permalink #470 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 12 Jul 01 10:31
Dianna- Never heard Seppo; wonder from whence it came. JaNell- I think you covered most. What about 'fairy,' for gay men? (I've been called every gay name in the book, even though I'm straight.... weird). Robynne- I've used the term 'femi-nazi', and I don't think I'm way right wing. I just hate the backlash against men like me. I mean, if I open a door for a girl, it's as a chivalric gesture, and because I respect her, not because I don't think she can do it herself, and if someone were to open one for me, girl or guy, I'd be genuinely appreciative, and not pissed. Adriana- what a *way* cool story. I want to say something about envying you, and how surreal it is, and how hard it rocks, but I can't really get it out (I tried twice). So, *great* story. How cool. Michaela- You are hardcore. And here I thought it was full-tilt to wait seven hours for the man... Neil- both of which should tell you the lengths to which your fans will go for you. And, also, I got back the picture of my friend, you, and I, arm in arm and grinning and looking for all the world like we're a force to be reckoned with. Very cool. And I also have one of you and Claudia, from the Fields. If you'd like, I'll send it to you (you won't even have to trade a copy of "Instructions" <grin>).
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permalink #471 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 12 Jul 01 10:32
permalink #471 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 12 Jul 01 10:32
JaNell, you slipped right by... agree with your post; it's manners, to me. And I'm glad to hear you wouldn't scream at me if I opened a door for you. Always heartening to know there are still ladies like you out there... There surely aren't many in NYC...
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permalink #472 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 13:32
permalink #472 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 13:32
Will, you're right, I forgot the most onvious one... and don't feel bad about missing the post, I suspect that most people here skim over mine because they assume I'm only being a smartass like normal. Wouldn't call me a lady, though; I cuss like a sailor... "You're straight outta Compton? I'm straight out the trailer!" I mean, really, after thinking about it, the whole opening-doors-as-a-way-of-continuing-to-subjegate-women thing allows people to vent on the small stuff; that way, feeling pretty self-satisfied that they've established the parameters of their equality, they don't have to actually get involved with real issues, outside of their own ego, like rape, incest, child abuse, gay bashing, racism, genital mutilation, and sexual harrassment. That would be distasteful and time consuming and without the easy emotional fix of chewing out some poor guy who was simply being respectful, by his lights. If it's all that important to a person, simply getting the door yourself and saying, "Thanks, I've got it", is sufficient to establish a sense of equality...
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permalink #473 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 13:33
permalink #473 of 2008: JaNell (janell) Thu 12 Jul 01 13:33
Onvious?!... see what happens if I don't spellcheck?
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permalink #474 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 12 Jul 01 14:04
permalink #474 of 2008: Will Entrekin (willentrekin) Thu 12 Jul 01 14:04
You know, call me crazy, or dense, or sexist, or whatever, but I've never, and will never no matter what you tell me, understood just how opening a door for someone connotes in anyway that you're superior to them. If anything at all, wouldn't the opposite be true? I mean, someone who walked in front of you and opened doors; they'd be like the portal equivalent of a food tester, or something, wouldn't they?
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permalink #475 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Thu 12 Jul 01 14:30
permalink #475 of 2008: Adriana Roze (ariadne26) Thu 12 Jul 01 14:30
Pam and Will just made my day. Pam, I tend to live my life like a Merchant-Ivory film way too much for my own good. I went to Italy after graduating college, looking for my "roots" (oye) and searching for the sea for which I'm named. I wanted to dip my feet in those dark waters. I actually set out with my Opera History professor in the streets of Florence, when I was almost accosted by a band of thieves...but that's a different story. Anyway, my health was poorly at the time. Digestive tract failure. I went off to the countryside looking for health. I stopped at this Inn in the middle of some golden field. I was so sick I hadn't held food down for days and was ready to pass out. The woman took me in and made me this broth...this crazy healing broth...that within 3 hours time had cured me. I lay in a hammock in the yard and a golden kitten slept on my belly while the sunlight gently warmed me. Strega Nona came back to tell me she had a bed for me, in the "Saint Adriana" room over by the barn. Now, this was pretty astounding considering, as far as I know, there IS no Saint Adriana, but there it was, painted over the door. In the courtyard was a small statue of the Magdalene, not the Madonna, with roses around her. That's when I knew I was in the right place. So, I guess I did sit in the wolf's belly for a while, and it ended up being a warm and healing place. And most wonderfully, it spit me out healthy and whole. And Will, any person who holds a door for me gets good karma points. I think it is wonderful, and I appreciate the graciousness of that action. It makes me feel good about humans. And I try to do the same whenever possible.
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