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permalink #201 of 771: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 23 Jun 06 06:42
permalink #201 of 771: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 23 Jun 06 06:42
David, any chance of you getting closer to Massachusetts or Boston than NYC this summer?
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permalink #202 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 23 Jun 06 09:38
permalink #202 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Fri 23 Jun 06 09:38
Do you have any horror stories of disastrous gigs? Playing in dives, playing to no audience, getting stiffed by the promoter? Or, conversely, any stories of idyllic gigs? Or ones that you didn't expect much from but that turned out to be wonderful? And, if you had your druthers, what kinds of places would you play in, and what kinds of places would you avoid like the plague?
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permalink #203 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 10:19
permalink #203 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 10:19
I don't know, Ari. I think there's a Connecticut date in the works for August, but I'm not aware of anything else in that direction. I didn't do well in my first attempts up there. You ere there for my first and only appearance at Johnny D's, weren't you? I played the Turning Point in Piermont NY twice, and that was it for me there. Those gigs were early in my touring career; I think the venues expected a large turnout for the famous Grateful Dead deejay, but it didn't happen. I have to work my way back to those markets. It's hard to do. Wen you and I were young, Ari, music was the principal channel for social intercourse. The Beatles lit up a generation, and Woodstock convinced us we could change the world. Just about everyone we knew pounced on the new al- bums by Bob Dylan et al. Television - the half-dozen channels of it that we had - had a testy relationship with the counterculture, as the Smothers Brothers can attest. Radio was our bulletin board, and Rolling Stone was our newspaper of record. (Yes, of course, there were other publications, and there were plenty of people our age who didn't dig what we all say - many of whom spent those years becoming the right-wing bastards who are fucking up our country now. But you get the idea.) Now there are a hundred cable channels, and video games, and blockbuster movies, etc. The music business, once the province of profiteering music lovers, is now largely the province of profiteering profiteers. Attaining widespread recognition is nigh impossible without feeding yourself to the beast. And I'm okay with that. I know I have something to say - and that in itself is something of a liability. On the "jamband" circuit, songwriting and good singing are not the most-valued criteria, and lyrics that make you think are pretty hard to come by. The homely soulfulness of the Grateful Dead - more or less the father of "jamband" music - has largely been replaced with songs that tend not to challenge the intellect nor plumb the depths of our souls. Yes, there are exceptions, but neither Phish nor Keller Williams nor Particle is ever going to make you cry. The Americana genre is much more my speed, were it not for the fact that I like to jam. And my new direction, al this trancey looping shit - well, I can only imagine what Ralph Stanley would think if his bus pulled in backstage at the Suwannee Springfest while I was out front playing that stuff. I'm deep in a niche, and that's the way it is. it's kind of like opening a really great restaurant in the middle of the Mojave Desert, I think: a Deny's on I-40 is going to do much more business, but that's not what I do. With all that in mind, I'm actually doing very well. I've gone a long way toward ditching the image of the overreaching Deadhead deejay, and I'm getting plenty of work on the merits of my music. Word of mouth is everything at this level (with no money for large-scale publicity and promotion, no presence in the mainstream media, etc.), and I'm getting it. I get enough gigs, and earn enough money, that I can afford to continue and do so pretty much entirely on my own terms. That's priceless.
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permalink #204 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 10:25
permalink #204 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 10:25
Gary slipped while I was composing. Now, to compose some more. (And speaking of composing, I think I mentioned earlier in the discussion that I was planning to write out some of my compositions on sheet music. It's really the only way to do what I need to do - these loop compositions consist of a chord patternn or single-note ostinato and some number of melodic statements that stack up and interlock, with lots of room for improvisation - which in turn often yields new gestures that become permanent elements. Last night I actually dug out a book of scoare paper and a pencil, and started writing out "Quarter to Five." Then I remembered that I had a notation program in my laptop, and I started doing the notation that way. What a great tool! I downloaded the newest version - Finale Notepad 206 - which is FREE. The idea is, you use that and then pay to upgrade to more powerful versions, which I expect I'll probably do pretty soon. So once I strugle up this modest learning curve, I'll be taking actual sheet music out on tour!)
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permalink #205 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 10:51
permalink #205 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 10:51
I'm waiting for a call to do an interview on http://homegrownradionj.com some time in the next fiv eminutes or so. Then at 11, Charlie Miller is coming over and we're going to do some record- ing in my living room. This brings me back to music making after two weeks of concentrating on my radio show and Deadhead community stuff. I'm playing gigs tonight, tomorrow, and Sunday, and I fly out early Thursday morning to a festival in Ohio (details at http://www.dgans.com/gigs.html ) I'll get back here late this afternoon to answer Gary's pending questions, and respond to anything else that comes up. Off-WELL readers are welcome to send coments or questions to inkwell@well.com
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permalink #206 of 771: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 23 Jun 06 11:34
permalink #206 of 771: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 23 Jun 06 11:34
Yes, David, I remember seeing you at Johnny D's, and would love to do so, again. Or, if not there, at, say, Club Passim, a folkier club. My ability to go to gigs farther away than I can drive home afterwards and still wake up for work in the a.m. has gotten less over the years. Very much my loss in this case. After trying to arrange gigs to celebrate the KlezmerShack's 10th anniversary last year, I have even fewer illusions about how hard it is to get clubs to agree to bookings, then to get enough people out to the gig to make it pay.
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permalink #207 of 771: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 23 Jun 06 16:20
permalink #207 of 771: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 23 Jun 06 16:20
My wife Fleur, who composes instrumental music and has tried several leading notation programs, says they're all good. You'll be fine with Finale. (She converts them to MIDI and hangs them with her art at chez-fleur.com.)
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permalink #208 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 17:56
permalink #208 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Fri 23 Jun 06 17:56
About 35 years ago I applied for a job as the music-typewriter operator at Guitar Player Magazine in Los Gatos. I didn't get the job. It's a hell of a lot easier to do that job now! I'm about to head out to the Nomad Cafe for a two-hour gig wiht my pals Mario DeSio and Jeff Pehrson. I'll try to post some answers tonight.
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permalink #209 of 771: Pat Adams (scarlet) Fri 23 Jun 06 18:07
permalink #209 of 771: Pat Adams (scarlet) Fri 23 Jun 06 18:07
Never knew there were music typewriters, but it makes sense.
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permalink #210 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 25 Jun 06 10:37
permalink #210 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 25 Jun 06 10:37
I'm on my way out to one more gig - a benefit in west Marin for KWMR, a fine commiunity radio station. Hot Buttered Rum, the Mother Hips, and Alison Brown are on the mainstage; I play an unamplified half-hour set justbefore Alison Brown, and Aaron Redner of BHR is going to join me on fiddle. I'll have time this evening to respond to all pending questions.
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permalink #211 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 25 Jun 06 13:41
permalink #211 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Sun 25 Jun 06 13:41
Have a great time, David! I hope you get to hear a little bit of Alison Brown's set -- she's terrific, even if she is a banjo player :-)
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permalink #212 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Sun 25 Jun 06 15:29
permalink #212 of 771: Ruth Allison (tinydancer) Sun 25 Jun 06 15:29
Did you play Golden Days and/or Quarter to Five this weekend? If so, how did it feel?
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permalink #213 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 25 Jun 06 22:00
permalink #213 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 25 Jun 06 22:00
> Do you have any horror stories of disastrous gigs? Playing in dives, play- > ing to no audience, getting stiffed by the promoter? My memory is merciful. I have some general recollections of unfortunate cir- cumstances but, fortunately, very few truly unpleasant experiences in recent years. One really unpleasant kind of gig is in a bar where they let the regulars in for free if they don't care about the music. This happened to me a couple of years ago, in a great American baseball town that will otherwise go uniden- tified. The venue was pleasant enough - a smallish bar with a decent stage and sound system. Smoking still allowed indoors, which always adds a level of discomfort and can make it hard to sing (and the stink of your sweaty, tobacco-polluted clothes at the end of the night - yow!). Just before my first began, the front door opened and an entire softball league swarmed in - sweaty, smelly, ready to drink, and really, really loud. I had a dozen or so paying customers up against easily three times as many of the enemy. That's disheartening. I played a sports bar in Philadelphia one night many years ago, with similarly daunting odds. And to make matters worse, I opened with a song that two of my few friends in the audience really, really hate! It's a song I was doing fairly often in those days, and I didn't really think about it until it was too late. They forgave me, eventually. Playing to no audience is not as bad as you might think. Some of my best performances have been in front of very small crowds. If the people who are there area really into what I'm doing, it can result in a memorable ex- perience for all concerned - a sort of command performance ("what would you liek to hear next?") or a clear, rich channel of communication from the muse through me and into that handful of hearts. Two summers ago I played an event called the Yasgur Road Reunion. It took place on a farm that had been owned by Max Yasgur, down the road from the site of the original Woodstock festival in August 1969. my set time was around 3pm on a beautiful sunny day that followed several days of hard rain; the hillside in front of the stage was all mud and runoff. There was an audience, but they were all in the campground behind the stage area. Before me were the sound crew, a hanfdul of friends, and four or five freaks who spent my entire stage time wrestling in the mud. The PA was unbelievably loud, which I found both punishing and strangely energizing. I enjoyed my set tremendously, because of the clear sound and the weird circumstances. At one point I began a pure improvisation - just playing notes until I hit upon something I liked, grabbing a couple of bars in the looper, and then building it into something unlike anything I've ever played before or since. That piece is on my CD "Solo Electric." It fades on the disc, because I ended it onstage by reaching down and decreasing the volume of the loop. Then I announced that I was naming it "Mud Wrestling Jam.": I'm about to post it at http://www.dgans.com/inkwell
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permalink #214 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 25 Jun 06 22:02
permalink #214 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Sun 25 Jun 06 22:02
Uh, it's arlready posted there!
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permalink #215 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 01:18
permalink #215 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 01:18
> Or, conversely, any stories of idyllic gigs? Or ones that you didn't ex- > pect much from but that turned out to be wonderful? The gig I played yesterday (Sunday 6/25) was pretty dang sweet. I got a call a little over a week ago from KWMR, the community radio station in Point Reyes Station. They carry my radio show, and I usually go out there at least once a year to assist with fund-raising. I am a strong supporter of community radio, and both Rita and I feel a tremendous affinity for both the physical and social settings. The benefit had been scheduled for quite some time, but I guess they made a late decision to have a second stage for smaller acts between sets by the three bands on the mainstage. I was offered the last slot, between The Mother Hips and the ALison Brown Quartet. I said yes, of course! Rita loves an excuse to visit west Marin, and so do I. Supporting KWMR, hearing my friends Hot Buttered Rum and two acts I've never seen before - I don't see the downside. I emailed Aaron Redner, HBR's fiddle player, andhe agreed to join me in my set. And on Sunday I extended the invitation to the other band members. I had been told there would be no amplification at all on the second stage, so I just brought my Martin - no looper, etc. Turns out they did have a sound system, powered by a donated mobile solar unit. Just as well not to have all the signal processors for a thirty-minute set anyway. Bryan Horne, HBR's bassist, agreed to join Aaron and me. While The Mother Hips were playing on the mnain stage, Aaron and I met near the second stage to run through an original song I wanted him to help with: "That's Real Love." We had more time to kill, so we also ran through "Lazy River Road" (which I refer to as "a Grateful Dead song for people who think they don't like Grateful Dead songs"), and my song "Save Us from the Saved." The afternoon was just as sweet as could be. The KWMR people made me feel like a real asset to their occasion; jerry Lunsford, "The Hippie from Olema," informed me he's booking one of the venues in Pt. Reyes Station and offered me a gig in August; the hospitality tent was stocked with tiny sweet oysters, which made my bride very happy; the place was teeming with children, mid- dleaged hippies like us, younger hippies, and really old hippies, too. I mean "hippies" in the sweetest sense fo the word: people who tread lightly on the earth, dress a bit more colorfully than I usually do, enjoy good music - you know. It felt good to be there among these people. The sound system was live even when the stage was not being used. There were kids playing on and near the stage, including a little guy with an inflatable guitar who sat on the stool and hollered into the live microphone from time to time while Aaron and I were trying to rehearse nearby. A little closer to showtime, I sat on the edge of the low stage and conversed with two girls in probably the 4-5-year-old range, each of whom had a painted face and was gnawing on a peach the size of her head. They were covered in juice. The fog hovered offshore, keeping the temperature in the just-about-perfect zone without impeding the sunchine one bit. Get the picture? Adrienne introduced me warmly from the big stage. There were a few dozen people, of all ages, already in chairs before me as I began, and more people headed my way as the set progressed. I began by thanking everyone for supporting KWMR, etc., and launched into "Shove in the Right Direction." Very well-recevied. I followed with "It's Gonna Get Better," also well-received. Two energetic, positive-themed songs - great way to start. Then I brought Aaron up and we did "Lazy River Road," "That's Real Love," and "Save Us from the Saved." Bryan joined us for the last two songs, "Jackaroe" and "Friend of the Devil." I felt great up there along, great with Aaron supporting and soloing, and great with Bryan salpping bass solos on both songs. The energy was terrific! It lasted maybe 35 minutes, every moment of it a pleasure. I picked up several new fans, deepened my friendship with the Hot Buttered Rum boys, helped out a fine community radio station, had a glorious drive in the country with my beautiful bride - what a day!
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permalink #216 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 01:20
permalink #216 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 01:20
More in the morning.
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permalink #217 of 771: Angie Coiro (coiro) Mon 26 Jun 06 01:44
permalink #217 of 771: Angie Coiro (coiro) Mon 26 Jun 06 01:44
Once you've had some sleep, David - can you talk about the relationship between small community stations and independent music? Maybe the parallels, too, as both are endangered species.
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permalink #218 of 771: beneath the blue suburban skies (aud) Mon 26 Jun 06 06:16
permalink #218 of 771: beneath the blue suburban skies (aud) Mon 26 Jun 06 06:16
sounds like a nice day! here's the Bethel mudpeople, to go with the music <http://www.fotolog.com/aud/?pid=8357100>
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permalink #219 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 21:45
permalink #219 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 21:45
Thanks, Aud! Okay, I'm finally catching my breath after a busy weekend and a day of deadlines. Responding to <202>, and then I'll tackle subsequent questions. I've only been screwed on the money a handful of times, I'm glad to say. I am poking around my journals looking for the one good story I have about being stiffed at a gig. There was a festival in a remote part of Pennsylvania a few years ago. As I drove into the backstage area it was clear that the gig was pretty severely underattended. I was greeted by a sour fellow who picked a fight with me over what he insisted was unsafe driving speed as I pulled in. I soon figured out what the real story was. I didn't play and I didn't get paid. Aside from that, there have been a couple of festival producers who got in over their heads and stiffed some or all of their performers. The most recent of these cost me a thousand bucks, but my wife and I had a great time, and the plane tickets were covered, and I got to play with a bunch of fine musicians and hear them play, too, so what the hell. Sure, I could use a thousand bucks, and we'll rattle the guy's cage from time to time in case he decides to make good, but I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.
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permalink #220 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 21:52
permalink #220 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 21:52
I told you about yesterday's idyllic gig in West Marin. I shared a couple of minor horror stories about the sort of gig I'd rather not do. That leaves Gary's third question: "And, if you had your druthers, what kinds of places would you play in, and what kinds of places would you avoid like the plague?" I'm happy to play in any venue where the people are intelligent and recep- tive, where I can play and sing with subtlety and dynamics, where my word play is understood and my social commentary is welcome; where the air is clear and the espresso machine doesn't wreck the mood every time milk is steamed; where puking never happens; where the music is what's happening in that space rather than background noise for high-energy mating rituals; where it doesn't cost me money or self-respect to be there; where everyone is glad they came. The places I avoid are the ones where these values aren't recog- nized, let alone implemented.
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permalink #221 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 22:00
permalink #221 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 22:00
Ruth asked: > Did you play Golden Days and/or Quarter to Five this weekend? If so, how > did it feel? I didn't play "Golden Days." I don't know how strongly I feel the urge to try it. I may come back to the idea. It could be something I fool around with on the road - I'll be in Ohio for five days this weekend, with plenty of time to hang out in my hotel room and/or backstage, so it could happen. I did play "Quarter to Five" at the Grand Lake Farmers' Market on Saturday, but I don't have much memory of it. The gig got of to a rocky start: Charlie was there to record it, and I was using my double-loop setup, which is really cumbersome and a pain in the neck to assemble. I freaked out and yelled at Charlie for something that was entirely my fault, and I started nearly half an hour late, and I was really really rusty after not playing much at all in the last several weeks. I eventually settled down and got into the music, but I had trouble controlling the insane tangle of gear at my feet - I'd hit a switch and everything would get really loud, or I'd forget to reset the feedback control on the Echoplex so the loop would start fading out, etc. I'm not sure I even want to hear the recording. I'm pretty sure I played "Quarter to Five" in there somewhere, but I don't think it was even a competent performance, let alone one in which I was able to deliver any genuine emotion.
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permalink #222 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 22:13
permalink #222 of 771: David Gans (tnf) Mon 26 Jun 06 22:13
Angie asked: > can you talk about the relationship between small community stations and > independent music? Maybe the parallels, too, as both are endangered > species. I am a programmer on a large community station, and my syndicated show is carried on a lot of small community stations. As the commercial media, and much of public radio, become increasingly numbers-obsessed, creativity and risk-taking tend to fall by the wayside. Those of us who are able to control what we play on the air are profoundly grateful for the privilege. And as a musician with no music-business backing whatsoever, and no money to pay for publicity and promotion, I am profoundly grateful for the independent stations and programmers who are able to play artists such as myself who don't hit the charts. As you can probably imagine, I have great sympathy for struggling independent artists. I get a lot of CDs in the mail - way more than I can do anything with, given that I produce two hours of programming each week. I listen to as much as I can, but there's always a stack of CDs - okay, a heap right there on my studio floor - that will probably never be auditioned. Endangered species, yes. But it's possible to thrive outside the mainstream, if you're careful and smart.
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permalink #223 of 771: Andrew Trott (druid) Mon 26 Jun 06 23:08
permalink #223 of 771: Andrew Trott (druid) Mon 26 Jun 06 23:08
> there's always a stack of CDs - okay, a heap right > there on my studio floor Damn, that image suddenly reminded me of the very first time I met you, at your Oakland apartment. Tina brought me over, and Jen was there visiting -- it was the first time I ever laid eyes on her, too. You had a box of promo CDs from which I soon extracted the Tremeloes Greatest Hits. I effused over it until you gave it to me. I still have it!
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permalink #224 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Tue 27 Jun 06 05:03
permalink #224 of 771: Gary Burnett (jera) Tue 27 Jun 06 05:03
The Tremeloes!
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permalink #225 of 771: David Adam Edelstein (davadam) Tue 27 Jun 06 05:40
permalink #225 of 771: David Adam Edelstein (davadam) Tue 27 Jun 06 05:40
As an independent musician yourself, do you see the web changing that equation at all? I read a lot about the *potential* for the web for getting indie stuff out, but I don't honestly know anything about how it's actually working out on the ground.
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