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permalink #76 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 25 Feb 18 14:56
permalink #76 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 25 Feb 18 14:56
More grist for our mill: https://www.buzzfeed.com/charliewarzel/the-terrifying-future-of-fake-news?utm_ term=.wfQnD5gGr#.gfN60gOql {What happens when anyone can make it appear as if anything has happened, regardless of whether or not it did?" technologist Aviv Ovadya warns.} {I think about it from the sense of the enlightenment which was all about the search for truth, the employee told BuzzFeed News. I think what youre seeing now is an attack on the enlightenment and enlightenment documents like the Constitution by adversaries trying to create a post-truth society. And thats a direct threat to the foundations of our current civilization."} (A federal employee speaking in the same article) And, back on point: Still, Ovadya and others warn that the next few years could be rocky. Despite some pledges for reform, he feels the platforms are still governed by the wrong, sensationalist incentives, where clickbait and lower-quality content is rewarded with more attention. "That's a hard nut to crack in general, and when you combine it with a system like Facebook, which is a content accelerator, it becomes very dangerous."
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permalink #77 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 25 Feb 18 14:59
permalink #77 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 25 Feb 18 14:59
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43170859 "Is the battle against online propaganda already being lost as AI puts powerful new weapons in the hands of the fake news merchants?" ..."Dmitri Alperovitch is the Russian-born US cyber-security entrepreneur who founded Crowdstrike, the company which first identified Russian involvement in the hacking of America's Democratic Party. But he tells us that North Korea has spent 15 years building cyber-warfare capabilities, including "breaking into financial institutions and stealing hundreds of millions of dollars," and hacking Sony Pictures after it made a jokey film about the regime." ..."Cyber-warfare techniques and artificial intelligence have advanced a long way in recent years. Linking the two fields could bring new threats to our security that we cannot imagine today." Not exactly comfortable words.
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permalink #78 of 193: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sun 25 Feb 18 15:18
permalink #78 of 193: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sun 25 Feb 18 15:18
<75> Yes, speed is an important constraint. At your suggestion, I've been reading Tim Wu's "The Attention Merchants" and it's interesting to think about the trade-off between speed and availability. Tim characterizes the radio show "Amos 'N Andy" as the first to really generate a large, simultaneous listening audience. The speed (for a live broadcast) was the speed of light. But it was only available *live*. But, I would say that, as recording technology matured, delayed broadcasts became possible, which effectively reduced speed in favor of increased availability.
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permalink #79 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 25 Feb 18 16:51
permalink #79 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Sun 25 Feb 18 16:51
That's an interesting point Craig... Now, with all the Clouds and Terrabytes of storage capacities, I think the strategy for a lot of us is to store everything for later viewing... When I am sifting data for needles and diamonds my immediate thought is save, toss or save for later, or for the really special stuff...read now and curate and pass it on. Whole different approach to learning results....you kind of get into a pattern recognition and then just go with the flow.... I like long reads, and still have a long attention span, so I will often just stop and smell all the roses....but, I do catch myself just zipping along a lot, rarely doing anything but sorting. My real and most favorite treat is to still read a book, actually holding it and slowly turning the pages, while the story populates all these marvelous images and worlds inside my mind.... And, then, I finish it and binge something on Netflix or Amazon....sign of the times.
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permalink #80 of 193: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Sun 25 Feb 18 18:32
permalink #80 of 193: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Sun 25 Feb 18 18:32
We always had some disreputable journalism, tabloids and rags and scandal sheets. And then we had outfits like the New York Times and the Washington Post who took pride in their journalistic integrity and that were generally considered to be highly reliable. They occasionally made mistakes, but admitted them fully and openly. What is new is that in the minds of many, and with the help of opportunistic politicians, there is now doubt about the trustworthiness of the people we used to trust. *I* still trust the New York Times and the Washington Post, but many on the right consider them to be highly biased and unreliable. Where's our source of truth? How do we get back that trust?
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permalink #81 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 02:08
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permalink #82 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 02:09
permalink #82 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 02:09
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permalink #83 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 02:12
permalink #83 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 02:12
Post #81 is "hidden"...long rant and ramble and so as not to get in Roger's flow in responding to all these great comments and questions. Click on it if you wish. #82 is 'scribbled' because it reposted and showed #81...bad robot!
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permalink #84 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 02:26
permalink #84 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 02:26
And, then, there are sites like Politifact, with their Truth-O-Meter http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/ We tolerate a President who knowingly lies every day. Is it any wonder that Facebook gets gamed by liars and evil players? Part of me just wants to put on Leonard Cohan's Everybody Knows and move out of the country...and then I hear Sugar Magnolia and see Tony Bennett receive another award, at 90 years old, and say, having traveled all over the world, that America is still the best country there is on the planet in complete sincerity and with that marvelous smile, and I unpack. These erosions of truth, trust and integrity have to be withstood - personally and institutionally. Roger, still any hope for Facebook, or should we all just pack it up?
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permalink #85 of 193: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 26 Feb 18 07:56
permalink #85 of 193: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 26 Feb 18 07:56
Politifact's fact checking is sometimes over-literal.
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permalink #86 of 193: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Mon 26 Feb 18 08:01
permalink #86 of 193: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Mon 26 Feb 18 08:01
(if you hide a post in an inkwell topic, non-WELL people can't read it)
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permalink #87 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 09:53
permalink #87 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 09:53
Thanks Betsy, did not know that....still going to keep it hidden tho.
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permalink #88 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 10:00
permalink #88 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 10:00
Power of the Stacks: https://www.npr.org/2017/10/26/560136311/how-5-tech-giants-have-become-more-li ke-governments-than-companies "So Facebook is now - so Facebook's news feed is sort of one of the most popular places for getting news in the world. It's you know - combined, more people read it than, you know, all the major newspapers in the country, the TV networks. It's extremely influential. And right now there's very little fact-checking that Facebook does, which is, you know, what led to this proliferation of fake news and these kind of echo chambers that people have. The solution to that could be that Facebook decides it's going to partner with fact-checking companies, and perhaps it might do fact-checking itself. And Facebook would sort of be in some way the arbiter for what's right and wrong on Facebook. That may help with the fake news problem. I think it's unclear at this point. But the kind of upshot of that is, on the other hand, you get Facebook kind of acting as something like the ministry of information for kind of every country in which it operates, where, you know, it might be able to decide, like, this is true, and this is not true. How it'll make those decisions and who it'll employ to make those decisions I think is a big question. And, like, suddenly it's going to have this power, and it's going to come about perhaps as a solution to another problem that it itself caused."
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permalink #89 of 193: David Julian Gray (djg) Mon 26 Feb 18 12:44
permalink #89 of 193: David Julian Gray (djg) Mon 26 Feb 18 12:44
I work in the "News" industry - on the tech side, but passionate about content. Been speaking with colleagues about the need for a central clearing house for "TRUTH" why should we believe the New York Times, or the Economist, or the AP or Al Jazeera, much less TASS or the Internet Research agency. Imagine a team of the worlds best journalists and researchers ensconced in a high tech mountain hide-a-way communicating on a frequency shifting satellite channel (thank you Hedy Lamar) certifying News Reports! I start by not believing any secondary source on Facebook. If my sister says she just finished doing something, I'll believe that (but was that really my sister ... hmmm ... Also I just have to point out out typically inarticulate Farhad Manjoo comes off in that piece with Ms. Gross. Count all the "Right. So..." (alt. "Yeah. So..." and "kind of"'s - I could neither listen nor read through it. And I enjoy is NYTimes column ...
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permalink #90 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 16:26
permalink #90 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 16:26
I had the same reaction David...thought he was stoned or an idiot... Medium.com Medium taps into the brains of the worlds most insightful writers, thinkers, and storytellers to bring you the smartest takes on topics that matter. So whatever your interest, you can always find fresh thinking and unique perspectives. Medium is just one of several new platforms doing just what you suggest...they are asking columnists, bloggers, etc to move there and publish their material onsite.
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permalink #91 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 18:45
permalink #91 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Mon 26 Feb 18 18:45
The war of the "bad bot" which account for 20% of all Internet traffic. Yikes! http://fortune.com/2018/02/26/russian-bots-twitter-facebook-trump-memo/?xid=gn _editorspicks&google_editors_picks=true
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permalink #92 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:39
permalink #92 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:39
I have recently been checking into Medium a bit more.
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permalink #93 of 193: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:44
permalink #93 of 193: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:44
Isn't Medium is a vanity press? Do they exert editorial control beyond choosing what to feature in their emails?
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permalink #94 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:49
permalink #94 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:49
I have not looked very far in except to notice a lot of linked articles.
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permalink #95 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:57
permalink #95 of 193: Gary Nolan (gnolan) Tue 27 Feb 18 10:57
Aeon is a little more thought provoking. A sample: <https://aeon.co/essays/are-you-sleepwalking-now-what-we-know-about-mind-wander ing?utm_source=Aeon+Newsletter&utm_campaign=2db87b97dd-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2018_01_ 22&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_411a82e59d-2db87b97dd-69418789>
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permalink #96 of 193: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 27 Feb 18 11:18
permalink #96 of 193: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 27 Feb 18 11:18
And I'm still thinking about Roger's comment in <34> about FB's personalization leading to "2.1 billion Truman Shows" reinforcing personal biases. "When you combine personalization with smartphones, you have a package that leads to a more dangerous addiction than TV created." Add to this Chuck's observation from <50> that we necessarily operate within a kind of "tribal epistemology" and I start to wonder if we can use our understanding of addiction to produce more beneficial online behaviors. Can a 'search for foundational truths' itself become more addictive than the quick hits from 'designer news?' <http://www.truman-show.com/images/film-still-escaping.jpg>
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permalink #97 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 27 Feb 18 11:59
permalink #97 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 27 Feb 18 11:59
Better to take a class on Aristotle and Nichomachaen Ethics and Eudaimonia. "Foundational Ethics" - I assume you mean Western Civilization's ethics Craig... Yup, re Truman Show....it's a lot like Groundhog Day meets a Glitch in the Matrix I am coming to believe that Bots, Bad Actors and Fake News are just simply going to be part of the Mix from now on....requiring new literacies and vigilance on our parts. Sources, Trust, Networks, Social Capital, are all going to be primary going forward, no matter whether it is FB, Twitter, LinkedIn...it's just the way it is.
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permalink #98 of 193: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 27 Feb 18 13:32
permalink #98 of 193: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 27 Feb 18 13:32
I actually meant 'truths.' While 'ethics' are pretty darn important, they tend to rely on foundational truths, which ideally are not so subject to cultural bias. I think another thing to keep in mind is that 'truth' (knowledge, belief, understanding) is the result of a process. We aren't just looking for some alternative sources to trust. We need an ever improving process of evaluation or 'critical thinking' (as Howard mentioned in <20>).
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permalink #99 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 27 Feb 18 14:15
permalink #99 of 193: Ted Newcomb (tcn) Tue 27 Feb 18 14:15
Absolutely; emotional intelligence, empathic and empathetic listening - Wise Mind
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permalink #100 of 193: Mike Godwin (mnemonic) Tue 27 Feb 18 16:54
permalink #100 of 193: Mike Godwin (mnemonic) Tue 27 Feb 18 16:54
Question for Ted and for Roger: doesn't it give you pause to realize that you are echoing every complaint that's ever been made about any new mass medium (or mass-media product)? What you don't seem to be doing, for all the talk of "critical thinking," is thinking about your hypothesis skeptically and looking for falsification rather than for verification. (I'll note, by the way, that your effort too frame Facebook and other platforms as "walled gardens" is a subversion of how the term was used in the 1990s, when there was, at least initially, no way to get content outside of Compuserve or Prodigy or AOL.) For all the harms that are caused by combining Facebook with smartphones, has anyone here considered turning notifications off for the social-media apps? Because, you know, you can do that. (I do it myself.) I've written a couple of pieces that take a more historical view of the anxiety about social media (and search engines). They're here <https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20171128/23565738694/everything-thats-wrong- with-social-media-big-internet-companies-part-1.shtml> and here <https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20180128/11001839096/everything-thats-wrong- with-social-media-big-internet-companies-part-2.shtml>.
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