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permalink #151 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:03
permalink #151 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:03
Right. Part two of #143 - how blockchain fixes all this. Here, we have to bow to the genius of Satoshi. Something very clever was done. Three basic technologies: * distributed hash tables (DHTs) * hashcash * public key cryptography I'll explain each in order, starting with the DHT. The DHT is the unsung hero of bittorrent etc. It's a simple enough idea - after somebody else has it! Also the devil is in the (implementation) details. So let's break that down. A hash table is a super common data structure in most modern computer languages. It's a way of storing *whatever you want* in an easy to access way. Pseudocode: store_data (key, value) -> stuff gets stored in the hash table. get_data (key) -> stuff is pulled out of the hash table and given back to you the key ("dogfood") and the value ("2 pounds of kibble and a nice little piece of fish") can be semantic. But they can also be programmatic. Hash functions are complicated, particularly cryptographic hash functions, and I do recommend doing some reading about them - they're going to show up again when we get to bitcoin mining. so more psudocode store_data( hash (value), value) so now the object being stored is *named* as the hash of its value. So you take a 6mb JPEG, and you have an automatically generated name like a30934b7d3ca70d482745c3a7c6b9e289f73d127. Looks random, but the same file will always generate the same hash. So now in your "little" storage system, you store a30934b7d3ca70d482745c3a7c6b9e289f73d127 - that's going in memory. But the 6mb JPEG could now be stored on disk - or on the network. Key concept here: the hash function lets you store a unique name for a piece of data. Anybody who has that data can recognize your request for that data by the unique name, and if you change the data by even one bit, the name breaks and no confusion can occur (except for hash collisions, which we'll come back to when we get to bitcoin mining.) So the distributed hash table is a networked implementation of a hash table. Imagine 16 computers in a perfectly reliable network. A file comes in to the cluster for storage: a30934b7d3ca70d482745c3a7c6b9e289f73d127. It starts with an A, so the data is sent to machine A to store. Next file comes in, and it's e2968a25409736660cf2e638cadbf234259fda63 - send that to machine E, and so on. If you need 256 computers, it's now "store on machine A3" or "store on machine E2" and so on. You can get as big an array of machines as necessary working together to store files, without a ton of administrative messing around about what goes where. Load balancing is fairly automatic, and so on. Machines can be arranged redundantly - A4 stores some stuff from A3 and A5, and so if one box fails, the data is safe. You can add as much redundancy as you like. So this is how we make a distributed database: millions of machines all interconnected, with a single naming scheme for incoming data (the hash function which generates the names). This is a major achievement. But now, the hard question: "who gets to store data in this network, and how do they pay for it?" If all those machines are owned by Google, then this is easy: they set policy and pricing. But *surely* we could take all those laptops and desktops at home, put DHT storage systems on them, and all collaborate to store all the world's content. That raises some problems. I'll discuss hashcash, the solution to most of those problems, in the next piece (in a few hours or tomorrow).
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permalink #152 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:03
permalink #152 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:03
Craig, as far as I know, Gavin Wood came up with "Web 3.0" around 2014/5/6?
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permalink #153 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:18
permalink #153 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:18
Rats. I forgot one detail. In a DHT system, if I want a specific 6MB JPEG of Stonehenge, and I know the hash, I can ask any computer running the right software for a30934b7d3ca70d482745c3a7c6b9e289f73d127 and the only file it will ever hand me is the JPEG. This property is called "content addressability" a30934b7d3ca70d482745c3a7c6b9e289f73d127 is the *hash of the content* and is enough to find that file anywhere on the internet that it may exist. It's a unique* general name for the item. The web paradigm is http://my.site.com/folder/subfolder/stonehenge_4.jpg http://[DNS system goes here]/[arbitrary folder structure goes here]/[arbitrary file name goes here] So now we can't find the damn file because the folder structure and the file name are just arbitrary human creations - people name things whatever they like, or wind up with 1.jpg 2.png 3.gif in a huge folder. And to find the *machine* with the picture on it, we have to consult the Domain Name System which is - yes - a pay-for-play cartel which makes you spend $20 a year to give your machine a public name (mycompany.com) so that people on the internet can find it. And if they don't like what they have to say, they can kick you off the internet. There is a huge international and national bureaucracy with tens of thousands of human workers just managing the *names* that we give things to find them. And this entire paradigm? That's Web 1.0. A huge database cartel of Domain Name Registrars who charge you fees to get your content where the world can see it. Distributed Hash Tables are *extremely* disruptive. They provide the potential for annihilating the entire domain name system, the registrars, the fees, the censorship - EVERYTHING. Simply by fixing this core problem: "what do I name files online?" Domain names suck. But we are so used to them we don't even understand how weird and malign that content addressing system is.
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permalink #154 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:19
permalink #154 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:19
I don't have much to offer personally on the topic, but I'm quite glad our State of the World is getting into the tall weeds of the blockchain thing. If we have to spend this whole decade dodging variants of Covid-19 while living behind our screens, then blockchains and DAOS and NFTs and web3s and metaverses, they're preetty much bound to flourish like crabgrass. Not because they're efficient technologies, or good and clean and fair and just, or because they can solve any of our actual problems, but just because they're something engrossing, and maybe enriching, to do all day, which doesn't feel like playing endless solitaire in a prison cell. On Twitter, NFT devotees greet each other with the ritual salutation "gm" ("good morning"). It took me a while to figure out that they meant that they were gonna sit there chasing NFT phantoms all day. Every day. Until they Make It or they Get Rekt. It's not an arcane high-tech hobby, such as logging on to the Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link after you've read an issue of "Whole Earth." It wants to be a way of life.
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permalink #155 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:24
permalink #155 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:24
Re. <152>: Web 3.0 was another name for the "semantic web" concept that originated with Tim Berners-Lee in the 90s. My understanding is that the term came from John Markoff in 2006. It was the idea of a machine-readable web; I suppose syndication via RSS or Atom was an example. Web3 would also be machine-readable, so seems to me it's the same concept, but with blockchain factored in.
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permalink #156 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:45
permalink #156 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:45
Ah yeah. As far as I know the Gavin Wood Web 3.0 doesn't owe much to Markoff and the semantic web - I think I'm almost the only person in the blockchain space who has any particular interest in unifying the semantic web concepts with the distribute web concepts.
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permalink #157 of 468: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:46
permalink #157 of 468: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:46
what i know for certain is that i'd like to have a drink with fruitbatpangolin
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permalink #158 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:55
permalink #158 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 8 Jan 22 09:55
> Stephen Diehl: I know him well :) He's an old friend of mine. > > A world class cryptographer whose company did not choose to > issue a token. This looks like a snide attempt to dismiss Diehl's arguments as sour grapes, without addressing them.
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permalink #159 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:04
permalink #159 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:04
Certainly not snide: he's a friend who's watched people with less skill, less talent, and less worthy objectives become billionaires because they were willing to ruthlessly exploit the technology and people to concentrate wealth without creating any wealth. To then argue that what has been done is immoral is reasonable. But the framing of the problem matters: Stephen's mostly attacking the ponzi scheme level of the blockchain narrative (which is huge) rather than looking at the more fundamental issues the blockchain is trying to address: * governments printing money leading to currency collapses, debt bubbles and possibly wars * censorship We do not have good candidate technical solutions for these problems other than *maybe* next gen (or generation after that) blockchain systems. Whether those problems are fixable with technology is an entirely different question. But having some candidate technological solutions around is not a bad thing, I think you will agree.
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permalink #160 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:30
permalink #160 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:30
Like a lot of journalists and literary people of my generational cohort, I used to spend amazing amounts of time immersed in newspapers and magazines. I preferred books of imaginative fiction, but I could see that zines and papers were more dynamic enterprises than books. Like the "first drafts of history," reporters were out there slapping some shoe-leather chasing current events. I saw the merits of that activity, although I was too lazy and introspective to ever be a pro journalist. Still, I wanted to see how it worked. I wrote some journalism. I edited stuff on occasion. I still sympathize with what's left of the paper-printing industry, and journalism clearly still has deep meaning for people, because otherwise journalists wouldn't be getting vilified, spied-on and killed all the time. However, it's in a state of ruination. Why is that?
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permalink #161 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:34
permalink #161 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:34
Historically, there were many situations where free presses were extinguished --sometimes for a generation or longer. Commonly, newspapers would spring back to life as soon as a regime fell. Even efficient police states were much-pestered by emigre presses and underground presses -- they were visibly afraid of them. Normal people thirsted for these paper published products. Newspapers that looked and acted like the newspapers of our recent past -- (they were cheap, they spread by post, they appeared every day, you could throw them away like trash) -- they didn't come from "presses." Printing presses existed for decades before newspapers arose. Instead, newspapers emerged from coffee houses. Big-city European coffee houses were large, well-attended, raucous social spots where influencers, mostly businessmen but sometimes courtiers, congregated to swap gossip and do insider-trading. So coffee-shops resembled modern social media. But they had no way to extend their influence beyond their coffee-shop walls, unless somebody, standing there with a pen and paper, heard, summarized, edited, and distributed their goings-on.
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permalink #162 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:35
permalink #162 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:35
The original coffee-house newspapers had gossipy names like "Tatler" and "Spectator." They weren't yet sober "Guardians" or "Chronicles" because there was no such thing as a Fourth Estate. Instead, there was a limited technical ability to communicate any news through any mass population. News gathering and distribution needed almost a parliamentary structure, with reporters resembling representatives of beats, and editors mimicking house-whips and house speakers. However, if all the other coffeehouses can just swap their lies and hot rumors with other coffee-houses, then all this stately gatekeeping becomes farfetched and archaic. Even journalists don't like it. I see thousands of journalists on Twitter. I never saw one say, "You know what? We journalists need an editor to fact-check, summarize and compile our personal Twitter musings, so that they're more reliable, and have more dignity, and will be of more public benefit!" I gave up on printed paper traditions, too. I used to subscribe to fifty magazines. Nowadays, I'm a steady reader of maybe three. On occasion I'll read a newspaper. It feels like watching an eighteenth-century opera.
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permalink #163 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:36
permalink #163 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:36
A post-truth situation ensues where nobody much cares about what's actually happening in objective reality. Strong-man demagogues with vast audiences of indignant, fired-up core zealots have to vie with radical movements that are little more than clusters of memes. Leaders who lie all the time can't deliver the lies; their fans adore 'em, but they're incompetent to the point of international contempt. Social-media unpsurges are not political parties or interest groups. They can't negotiate and they have no victory condition. That's what Kazakhstan looks like today -- it's got this one-party-state guy who has the Xi Jinping seal-of-approval, though he's not well-informed as Xi-- he just concentrates on his palace intrigue. Civil society has spontaneous violent upheavals rather than reformers. It's a news desert, or maybe a "news steppe," in their case. I wouldn't claim that "news" is any panacea for Kazakhstan, but it's quite strange that our world is infested with trillions of dollars of communications gadgetry and we have no idea what's going on in Kazakhstan. I'm sure they're anxious to tell us about their suffering, but they themselves don't know. They've got no method to know.
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permalink #164 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:36
permalink #164 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:36
So, to have a "Fourth Estate" of print-media professionals with some vested interest in an informed populace and political stability -- that's not a natural end-state for a civilization. You can't even legislate it into being, or underwrite it with tax breaks. It's more of a historic techno-social accident. It's like a national irrigation system where you have convenient spots to dam rivers, form reservoirs and measure and dispense water flow. If you live in a swamp, it wouldn't occur to you that there might be some advantages to that.
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permalink #165 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:53
permalink #165 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 8 Jan 22 10:53
Professions are funny that way: the sharp lines and massive cultural divides between nurses, doctors, surgeons, midwives and psychiatrists, for example. Those professions arose in these forms through accidents of history, of path dependency. What medical procedures can a doctor do that a nurse can't? Where that line is varies country to country, decade to decade. Midwives almost went extinct in America (in the 1950s?) and the profession was largely rescued by the folks on Ina May Gaskin's Farm. Which is to say: I get what you are saying about journalism. A lot of our best institutions are path-dependent historical accidents. What works well is to be treasured and preserved. Whenever possible.
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permalink #166 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 8 Jan 22 11:36
permalink #166 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 8 Jan 22 11:36
I suppose through journalism's greatest era, it was seen as a public service. Creating channels for delivering the news was expensive, so there weren't many of 'em, and they existed for prestige, not profit. So anyone interested in exposure to news got a fairly coherent picture of the world through those few channels, which were somewhat aligned in what they intended and what they delivered. Back then, professional journalism appeared and evolved with the kinds of standards and practices we were taught in journalism school fifty years ago - and I suspect those are still part of the curriculum, but do they mean as much in an era where news is for-profit, where it's characterized not as information but as infotainment.
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permalink #167 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 8 Jan 22 11:48
permalink #167 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 8 Jan 22 11:48
(Oh, wow! I'm in another timezone... much slippage) Vinay, re: <152>, and using today's version of the Memex.... I googled: "web 3.0" [with the quote marks] then filtered the results to dates between 1990 and 2014 and see results that appear to match my memory traces -- namely that O'Reilly Media was hosting conferences (and reporting about them) aimed at shaping the tech community's thinking about 'The Web' -- in particular, that it was still evolving. Here's a hit that gives "Web 3.0" so called 'buzzword' status as of 2010: <https://www.macmillandictionary.com/us/buzzword/entries/web3.html> IMO, this helps make clear the transient nature of meaning -- "When I use a word, it means just what I choose it to mean--neither more, nor less." and, in today's version of the looking glass world, Humpty Dumpty speaks for the highest bidder. Meaning itself has become a kind of 'currency' -- a cryptic sort of currency. Dare I say, a cryptocurrency? The arguments we usually have about the blockchain tend to be arguments about 'meaning' that go unrecognized. Perhaps WIRED could help us with that.
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permalink #168 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 8 Jan 22 12:13
permalink #168 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sat 8 Jan 22 12:13
I've been hearing a distinction between "Web 3.0" and "Web3." Maybe Web3 is seen as a reboot.
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permalink #169 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 8 Jan 22 12:22
permalink #169 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 8 Jan 22 12:22
Or an ongoing shift in meaning. I don't see a reason this will stop. > ... Creating channels for delivering the news was expensive, so > there weren't many of 'em, and they existed for prestige, not > profit. Not to disagree, but may I point out that we need not think of prestige vs profit as simply a binary choice. This concepts are often deeply entangled.
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permalink #170 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 8 Jan 22 12:29
permalink #170 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 8 Jan 22 12:29
Meant to say "These concepts..." But further, this may be the the wrong level at which to think about 'The News' -- whose more substantial purpose may be something along the lines of 'shaping consensus.'
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permalink #171 of 468: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:09
permalink #171 of 468: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:09
xlnt disentangling by a computer scientist of web3.0 https://tante.cc/2021/12/17/the-third-web/
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permalink #172 of 468: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:23
permalink #172 of 468: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:23
Here's an argument that word definitions are often a topic of social media conflict: Scissor Labels <https://j.mirror.xyz/RUeJfZEZxr-hkuzUCakQyUuf2kOJVMPPiAWBaQFhhqc> > Hyperpop is an example of what I'm calling a "scissor label," loosely based on Scott Alexander's "scissor statement." While his original term, scissor statements, are truth claims engineered to create dissent, scissor labels are categorical terms that happen to be maximally divisive. > A scissor label is a word or phrase that, for the first time, establishes a widely embraced name for a trend without simultaneously establishing a canonical definition. It is a vague term masquerading as a specific one, where the missing definition is still up for grabs. Scissor labels aren't coined or engineered, nor formally initiated by an institution. Rather, they're discovered by accident, suddenly adopted en masse amidst a trend that's already in motion. > Once a scissor label is established, controlling its definition means controlling whatever the trend represents. A scissor label therefore represents the battleground for a power struggle. By nature, scissor labels have a peculiar divisive power, building energy and momentum around a trend while simultaneously bringing about controversy and debate. [...] These unending arguments become tedious once you recognize them for what they are. Words are flexible and that's great! They aren't load-bearing, though. If a word isn't doing the trick, use another. Route around it. Paraphrase. Give examples of what you mean. (Another good example would be the dispute over what "mild" means for Omicron. The word is a problem, but the experts don't argue about how to define it.)
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permalink #173 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:32
permalink #173 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:32
The commercial linked in <146> begins with the statement that "Applications built on Ethereum run exactly as programmed without any possibility of downtime, censorship, or third-party interference." I think this means that Ethereum makes sure that programs run in conformance with their contracts, which reasonable people might not hear as being synonymous with "as programmed"
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permalink #174 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:41
permalink #174 of 468: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:41
IN the lecture <hexayurt> posted in <143> he set a goal of making Ethereum transactions as fast as present-day database transactions. My feeble understanding suggests that this would mean that cryptographic operations would have to become faster by three or four orders of magnitude. What impact would this have on other uses of cryptography, which rely on decryption to be difficult enough that they remain slow compared to encryption? Decryption on Ethereum might become much faster than encryption is when done elsewhere. Using Ethereum to solve this problem would make Ethereum a common point of possible failure for many security architectures.
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permalink #175 of 468: Patrick Lichty (plichty1) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:49
permalink #175 of 468: Patrick Lichty (plichty1) Sat 8 Jan 22 13:49
Blockchain, crypto, DAO's etc. I had a paradigm shift when I read two things, the book "Artists Re:Thinking the Blockchain", and a recent article in Forbes where the writer was looking at coins as software aoolications and platforms - economics as engineering problems - that got my attention. In the arts, when I was in Cyprus, everyone was talking about NFTs. I operate primarily on Foundation and Hic Et Nunc lately, although I have a collection on openSea. A few anecdotes: A young cypriot painter was minding the gallery where my curatorial project is at Neme.org in Limassol (Sorry for the shameless plug - you should check it out, the interviews start tomorrow) https://www.neme.org/blog/through-the-mesh-press (I'll likely refer to a few of the artists in these weeks) BUT, this young lady was minding the gallery, and the co-director Yiannis Colkaides and I were chatting, and her (apparent) brother came in who was a computer engineer (my first degree)> He said he was interested in NFT's, as a performance I had just been to was a video meant for repackaging for NFT, and that seemed the meme. Anyhow, as these things go, he asked me "What software do you use to make NFT's?" as if anyone with a lack of imagination and MS paint can;t do them. I smiled and said, as I do to anyone who thinks the computer is going to do it for them, all they have to do is buy the right modules from Ono-Sendai and there you have your Cyberdeck... I said, "There's a really great hardware platform you can use to start making NFTs..." The young woman almost violently got out her notebook and began scribbling frantically at my Buddhic wisdom to come. "It's called a set of good Derwent pencils and some nice rag paper. make some fantastic drawings of Elon Musk or something , scan them, and then mint them on Hic et Nunc,,.," The scribbling was furious, then slowed...."What? You mean you can sell drawings? Why can't we just throw together a bunch of pixels or 3D models like Beeple?" "Well, then, you have your model, but you know what you really have to do is get a product together and live on twitter and Discord and MARKET." As Baudrillard once said, "Contemporary Art are often empty gestures to status" (Conspiracy of Art) - And in the case of the endless Billionaire Monkeys, I agree. NFTs are a marketing exercise on the Warholian sense, it isn;t so much about the art - it's the idea of selling a value proposition that you wont lose cash when you pop $300,000 into the ape. Seems like Yves Klein or Duchamp to me, but who am I to judge... But the Christies auction that had Claudia Hart, Tamiko Thiel, Auriea Harvey, that was the real deal. I get that. Bravo on my colleagues for netting at least $10k reserves. good on em. They deserve it. But Hic Et Nu=nc getting abandoned then rebuilt got my attention. A with all these breathless speculative paces, a lot isn;t being thought through. The NFT platforms are basically repositories that link to the contracts, and if someone takes the platform down, all hell breaks loose. I fully expect an NFT meltdown SOMEWHERE, and HEN was nearly that,. I also love the NFT Bay, where you can torrent all kinds of lifted NFTs - of course the value is in the contract, but it points a critical finger that;s spot on. You're buying baseball cards and Wacky Packages. They are merely indices for fashion as frozen capital. Fair enough. Also, I also respect that the forbes article also speculated that the economic chains that will power W3 probably don't exist yet. Galt's Gulch will likely get regulated, and many of the platforms are problematic - Bitcoin is getting old, Ethereum is too damned slow (Sorry Vinay), and things like Polkadot are making incremental advances. Also, interoperability is going to be key, and I like that the Metamask Wallet allows for Eth and Polkadot. However, with all of this being a fight for more first-world extraction, I'm having a Don't Look Up moment in thinking we should really be fighting to chain the Musks and Gateses and have a good look at the great crypto money laundry. It's almost blasphemous to think of ripping the trillions out of the Stacks and out of the hands of the Tecnoligarchs and placing it back into programs that matter more to our survival. Oh, by the way, is anyone seriously going to start talking about population control and necropolitics before it comes to wars and hands-off strategies re: Covid in regions that "don;t matter" to the rich? Bravo if you got the end of this.
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