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permalink #376 of 468: David Gans (tnf) Sat 15 Jan 22 11:15
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<373> thank you, Rik. Science is facing a stiff headwind of deliberate falsehood.
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permalink #377 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 15 Jan 22 11:19
permalink #377 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sat 15 Jan 22 11:19
*Meanwhile, in Kazakhstan, it looks like the foreign troops called in by the new regime are declaring victory and promptly leaving. *There were only about 2,000 of them, and Kazakhstan is as big as Western Europe all by itself, so it's not like they were gonna be able to loot the place. *I'm gonna chalk this one up as a victory for Russian diplomacy.
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permalink #378 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 15 Jan 22 12:00
permalink #378 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 15 Jan 22 12:00
Virtual Sea Monkey: the census collects "race" data. They don't collect skin colour data. There's a difference.
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permalink #379 of 468: Scott M. Ashkenaz (smash) Sat 15 Jan 22 12:43
permalink #379 of 468: Scott M. Ashkenaz (smash) Sat 15 Jan 22 12:43
Not really touched on in this iteration of SotW: Belarus (tried and) said out loud what Russia has been silent about for years now, using refugees as a strategic weapon to polarize and destabilize the west. Subtle or overt nudges to create floods of untethered people to stress social services and political tolerance.
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permalink #380 of 468: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 15 Jan 22 12:49
permalink #380 of 468: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 15 Jan 22 12:49
It doesn't seem to have worked quite as well as Lukashenko imagined it would.
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permalink #381 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 15 Jan 22 13:18
permalink #381 of 468: Craig Maudlin (clm) Sat 15 Jan 22 13:18
Time traveling back to Vinay's earlier <366>: > It is an act of will: you have > to *push* in that direction to get the blockchain to behave this > way. > > Otherwise, if you don't, it's a lazy beast that follows the path of > least resistance, and you get very expensive > cartoon-monkey-wearing-a-hat jpegs. Yay! I'm ready to stand-up and cheer for this. I'm a technologist, but the future isn't really about technology (what we used to refer to as 'high-tech'), imo, it's really the choices that we *humans* make that will (and always have) shape the future. Of course we know there's an intimate relationship between humans and technology, in the larger sense of 'technology' -- the art, craft, skill (the techniques) of being human. Language itself is vital tech. A big problem I think we have (in a State of the World sense) is that we have allowed the meaning of the very words we use for thinking and speaking to be corrupted (ever so slowly). But now we have a meaning crisis. And binary thinking ends up fracturing meaning along partisan lines. So we end up with large groups of people who equate "blockchain" with "Bitcoin" and then reflexively with all the really bad qualities: "hype" "scam," "fraud," "wasted energy," "climate-change," and the coming heat-death of the universe. On the other (binary) hand are those who equate "blockchain" with a sort of "Utopian Internet" (that rhymes with "A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace"). This too is big problem. We need to find a way to avoid excluding the middle: the possibility that, in the end, "blockchain" will just turn out to be a useful label for a basket of human-centered techniques for reaching pragmatic consensus about our desired future State of the World.
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permalink #382 of 468: Administrivia (jonl) Sat 15 Jan 22 15:08
permalink #382 of 468: Administrivia (jonl) Sat 15 Jan 22 15:08
Just a reminder that this conversation's hosted by the WELL. If you're interested in ongoing participation in conversations like this on many many subjects, consider joining the WELL: <https://www.well.com/join/> If you're reading this, you're probably already familiar with the url format: <https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/516/State-of-the-World-2022-pa ge01.html> From page 2 (<https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/516/State-of-the-World-2022-pa ge02.html>) onward, there are navigational elements at the top of the page. If you're not a member of the WELL but would like to add a comment or ask a question, just send it via email to inkwell at well.com. We'll post it. The principals of the conversation (this year Bruce Sterling, Jon Lebkowsky, and guests Vinay Gupta and Emily Gertz) made a commitment to post for two weeks, January 4-17. So Tuesday the 17th is our last day, though people might hang out and keep posting past that date. We've been doing this every year for the last couple of decades, and this is by far the most active and enlighting conversation in the series. Assuming no apocalypse, we'll be back again next year...
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permalink #383 of 468: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 15 Jan 22 16:17
permalink #383 of 468: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 15 Jan 22 16:17
am wondering if <jonl> perceives this to be a better convo because the chiliastic 'in the future we will all have our own private gyrocopter' thinking --- just hasnt been present. always a distortion factor...
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permalink #384 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 15 Jan 22 20:44
permalink #384 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sat 15 Jan 22 20:44
Craig Maudlin: liking than you're liking it. Tech will only save us if we make it. On the language side, I think Hakim Bey's ontological anarchism was a sort of bridging moment where a particular thread of corrupted existentialism leapt into the anarchist and subcultural world, and it's spread from there. Bey has become (with good reason) persona non grata pretty much everywhere but it's too late: ontological anarchism took hold. In the minds of strong, good people the concepts opened up space. But in the hands of people less able to deal with the wide open quality we got flat earth cults. I'm not saying "no Hakim Bey, no flat earthers." But he documented ways to eat reason when it was used as an instrument of oppression, when we were being minemaxed into submission. It's just a shame that he was a monster cutting his own chains, dressed as a freedom fighter cutting ours. hakim bey -> psychogeographers -> weird subcultures -> ironic flat earthers -> post-ironic flat earthers -> actual flat earthers -> flat earth is actually operated by aliens to keep us in the Matrix flat earthers -> crypto flat earthers -> earth is actually a torus flat earthers. https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-flat-earthers-have-a-new-theory-introducing -doughnut-earth-20181106
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permalink #385 of 468: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 16 Jan 22 06:18
permalink #385 of 468: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 16 Jan 22 06:18
Anyone else a fan of On the Media? This weeks show is all about the wave of media attention on whether the U.S. is headed for a second civil war why journalists and commentators are circling around the idea, what civil war really looks like in 21st century America. https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/otm/segments/talk-possible-new-civil-war- useful-on-the-media Sample quote from host Brooke Gladstone: Most of the speculative stuff is a lot of hogwash. Guest David Remnick (editor of The New Yorker) on the potential that Trump, a former president whos openly embraced the most violent and or deluded political actors in the country, will run for president again: Is that Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson? No. Is it potentially disastrous for for the future of democracy and this country? Youre damn right it is. If the metaphor, if thats what it is, of civil war makes us pay attention, then that is legitimate, because the facts bear it out. Transcription errors mine!
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permalink #386 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sun 16 Jan 22 07:03
permalink #386 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sun 16 Jan 22 07:03
Emily Gertz: So much of the problem is critical infrastructure. 20 years ago, critical infrastructure was as fragile as an egg shell. Tough against little bumps and bounces, but when it broke, it *broke*. It's hard to say whether the post 9/11 infrastructure spend has really helped. But the nightmare scenario is pretty simple: a few tens of thousands of nutcases, spread out across America and loosely networked, take their hunting rifles and shoot up the electrical grid. Maybe they set fire to some natural gas stuff too for good measure. Backhoeing fibre optic cables is left as an exercise for the advanced students. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D.C._sniper_attacks https://www.reuters.com/article/us-california-internet-attack-idUSKCN0PA32A201 50630 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Texas_power_crisis - this, but with people taking chainsaws to power poles. Now none of this wins wars. It doesn't even start wars. It's just a gigantic amount of inconvenience and, in a very cold winter, possibly death. The economic costs are unimaginable. Entire states without power for days or weeks, and then just after it's all turned back on, it goes down again. The perps are super hard to catch because they're not standing around to get caught: take a couple of shots, go dormant for six weeks, then pop out and do it again. Decentralized sabotage campaigns. It's the resulting state of emergency that creates the political backlash. This kind of scenario has been talked about for probably 30 or 40 years as a threat that might come up in a hot war scenario: "the Russians" and their special forces types dropped in to blow up dams etc. was a staple for years. Fear about a grass roots domestic terror threat of this general model has probably been a thing since the OK City bombing in the 1990s. As with the covid pandemic, it's not that people don't understand and study the risk. It's that we don't know to what degree the measures have been put in place to handle it. And that's what really worries me. There seems to be no end of these risks that experts see and try and get action on, and nothing happens, and then the risk happens, and the folks with power turn around and say "who knew?" I don't currently see an ideology which would view smashing the American power grid through a campaign of decentralized, leaderless sabotage as a worthwhile goal. So maybe it's just the punch nobody will throw. But with the right kind of nihilism anything is possible. I am glad not to worry about things like this for a living any more. Those were dark, dark years.
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permalink #387 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 16 Jan 22 07:19
permalink #387 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 16 Jan 22 07:19
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permalink #388 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 16 Jan 22 07:24
permalink #388 of 468: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Sun 16 Jan 22 07:24
As someone who experienced the Texas power crisis of 2021, aka snowpocalypse, I think it's worth saying that what people did, when that happened, was go out of their way to help each other through it. Notions of political contention were forgotten for a few days, people were just helping each other survive.
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permalink #389 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:14
permalink #389 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:14
I'm back in Ibiza (briefly, I hope) so that I can assemble my QR codes and depart for Texas presently. The USA might have a violent civil war, but if they do something that foolish and self-defeating, they'll simply hand their remaining hegemony to the Chinese. All the other world power-players will behave as if the US has gone mad, and they will promptly sidle into the direction of the nearest Belt and Road. They won't be able to dump their iPhones fast enough; Huawei and TikTok will both dance on The Donald's grave. I'm guessing there would be plenty of world military adventurism during a US civil war, too. For instance, the French might suddenly say, "Hey, let's appoint Maximilian the Emperor of Mexico!" But mostly, a world with a broken USA would be a new arena for China. Even if one US faction quickly won an American civil war, the winners be in much weaker world condition as the domestic "victors." Global woes would multiply; the American dollar's no good, nobody wants US military bases, the US Big Tech platform companies are in rags and shadows; all the billionaires have ditched their Green Cards, Wall Street is a ghost town. The post-civil-war USA would become Patient Zero in the Imperial Overstretch Clinic. That leaves one wondering what a Chinese hegemonic world might look like. If it did arrive, it might arrive sooner than we know.
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permalink #390 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:14
permalink #390 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:14
The obvious answer -- "what is it like"? -- has a ready answer. It's like Tibet, Xinjiang and Hong Kong. If you're Tibet you get subsumed. If you're Xinjiang, you react badly and you get some heavy digital manners and some re-education camps. If you're Hong Kong, you make some noise about free markets and rule of law, but the charm of those buzzwords has worn off for the Politburo. They've lost respect for these alleged systemic advantages of Westernization; they believe that all this American-style legalizing and financializing doesn't make a nation richer or more powerful. So the Chinese bosses strangled their supposed golden goose of Hong Kong, and the Chinese man in the street was fine with that. Hong Kong was decadent and messy, anyhow; modern China doesn't need any troublesome middle-men to handle the outside world. There's a fellow named Peng Jingtang, who used to be chief of staff for the "People's Armed Police" in Xinjiang. He was recently promoted to be boss of the People's Liberation Army troops in Hong Kong. I think this indicates that China is satisfied with their consistent line over the various elements they've subjugated. You won't get loose, no matter how poor or rich you are. How harshly you get treated by the Empire is up to you. Nothing too amazing about all this, it's pretty standard for land-empires. I follow some Chinese wolf-warriors on Twitter who are keen to compare Xinjiang (a paradise) to what the USA did to Native Americans (ruthless genocide). They're swaggeringly convinced by their historical arguments, too, and keen to dish out some of the same to Taiwan.
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permalink #391 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:16
permalink #391 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:16
The major element that seems different in MMXXII is, well, "Communism." China is a Communist state with a hammer and sickle on the flag, and constantly celebrating Communist Party anniversaries, so how come they don't feed and shelter other people's Communist Parties? Shouldn't they encourage other people to become ardent Communists, to rebel, to overthrow the rich, and to become like China? Mao Zedong used to exhort that revolution all the time; there were Maoist parties all over the Third World, and even some Maoist cliques in the likes of France and Italy. How come there's not eager foreigners waving Little Red Books of "Xi Jinping Thought" and quoting Xi's aphorisms? China's much more powerful now than during Mao's heyday. Life in Xi's China is vastly better than life in Mao's China. I think the reason is that they've become patriots, not Communists. They're Chinese ethnonationals with an identity politics. They no longer care what you, or they, think about Communism; they want you to buy into their Belt and Road 5G infrastructure.
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permalink #392 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:16
permalink #392 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:16
Most imperial hegemons are, normally, keen on civilizing you to their standards. They want to teach you their language and dress you in their clothes. Cosmopolitan soft power, "Coca-Colonization," all of that. The Chinese lack a taste for this behavior. Whenever you imitate them, instead of patting you on the head and giving you Most Favored Nation status, they get all annoyed about it. They even repress Chinese pop stars who win foreign admirers.
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permalink #393 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:17
permalink #393 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:17
In MMXXII, the best pupil of Xi Jinping Thought is obviously Narendra Modi, the current Prime Minister of India. Modi is a guy who studies China with intelligent care, and is full of autocratic instincts of his own. Modi thinks that India's Parliamentary democracy is a corrupt mess of useless featherbedders and petty rajahs who get in the way of modernity. Modi would much prefer a one-party state of dedicated Hindu activists who rule through overwhelming moral suasion and example, with him as a benevolent Emperor Akbar who directs the nation with his sweeping, inspired decrees. So Modi likes to swing the sceptre: he often does unexpected Xi Jinping-like strikes against the Indian status quo, such as abolishing paper currencies, and naming-and-numbering all the subjects on Aadhaar computers, and, especially, pulling a fierce Xinjiang on the restive province of Kashmir. I think Modi has it figured that the Chinese are the way forward. Modi perceives that the British have stupidly pulled a Yugoslavia, while the Americans are electing obvious frauds and hucksters who aren't worth his time. Modi's ideal future India is dynamic, trade-centric, high-tech. It's an India on the Moon and Mars, with Indian smart cities and Bangalore tech giants and a blue-water global navy. A grand, much-respected, jewel-resplendent India that's the awe and wonder of all the locals: Bangladesh, Burma, Sri Lanka, the Maldives, Nepal.
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permalink #394 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:17
permalink #394 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:17
I may not personally approve of imperial ambitions, but at least I can see that it's a rational realpolitik that Metternich or Kissinger would have no trouble understanding. Most non-Indians aren't much troubled with India; the world's diplomatic corps is cordial about India. India is "non-aligned," they're easy to bribe, they mostly mind their own internal business. You rarely see India pick a big bloody fight with anybody, except for their evil twin-brother Pakistan. Small client states nearby are plenty afraid of India, but nobody else is. So why does China want to start and sustain a Cold War border-fight with India? Why harass them? Why now, in MMXXII, when there are so many better issues than some barren mountains? You'd think that the Chinese would flatter Modi. Modi does imitate the Chinese, so they ought to patronize him. By his tacit agreement that their methods work best, Modi validates them. He makes them look like the avant-garde.
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permalink #395 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:18
permalink #395 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:18
A friendly India would offer China big benefits. There's plenty of profitable belt-and-road development work to be done in India, with a huge consumer base for Chinese products and services If China and India were trade allies, clearly the Chinese would dominate. Despite being Communists, they're much better at business. Also, an armed border quarrel with India gains the Chinese anything, except for a loud and visible quarrel with India. Nobody else sees fit to pick quarrels with India, so the spat makes the Chinese look cranky, peevish and bent on acts of humiliation.
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permalink #396 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:19
permalink #396 of 468: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Sun 16 Jan 22 09:19
But the Chinese are jealous. The Indians annoy them. They can't abide an India that seeks to out-China China. Especially, one semi-divine technocrat can't bear the presence in Asia of another semi-divine technocrat. Xi Jinping and Narendra Modi are too much alike to be pals. China's the aggressor in the Sino-Indian relationship because China lacks tact. They'd rather punch noses than form an axis of authoritarianism. A wilier China would blandly assure India that "Some day -- in the future --you'll be the greatest!" That's what everybody else always tells the Indians, feeling secure in their conviction that India is the country of the future and always will be. But China can't imagine a geopolitical situation for India that Indians might be content about. The Chinese have a grievance, so they need to make sure that India has a worse one; not the grievances India already has, which are plenty, but some brand-new grievances stamped "Made in China." I suspect that a China that was the greatest power on Earth would have even harder time with India. It's not some standard international fuss, about trade wars, the ideology, the religions or the lack thereof. The Chinese don't even hate the Indians, or have any particular sense of historic, revanchist grudge, or feel a genuine military threat from them. It's a clash-of-civilizations that a planetary hegemon ought to be able to serenely overlook. They can't seem to be suave about it. I wonder why.
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permalink #397 of 468: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 16 Jan 22 10:15
permalink #397 of 468: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 16 Jan 22 10:15
I wonder what's the best way to handle hypothetical threats. I'm a big fan of disaster preparation, and I think we don't do enough. On the other hand, we get one shoe bomber and then everyone has to take off their shoes for decades. Is this sensible? So I wonder about this scenario about an organized group of malcontents taking out the electrical grid. How do we weigh that against all the other hypothetical scenarios and come up with sensible disaster planning? Is it another shoe bomber thing, or is it more like preparing for a pandemic? Hurricanes and ice storms are also threats to electrical grids and I think they need to be given their due as well. It seems like usually, in rural areas anyway, we assume that sometimes electrical grids go down, and we need to plan to get by off-grid for a while and repair them afterwards. Hopefully we can learn some things from what happened in Puerto Rico and Texas. I also wonder what we should learn from California, where the big vulnerability for the electrical grid is the risk of bankruptcy from starting a fire. You don't need to take out infrastructure. You just need the power company to be sufficiently afraid of what might happen to refuse to provide service.
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permalink #398 of 468: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Sun 16 Jan 22 10:54
permalink #398 of 468: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Sun 16 Jan 22 10:54
One source of instability and unrest in the US that we haven't discussed is the burden placed on caretakers by the conditions of pandemic. Whether professionals or family members, care workers all over the country are feeling burned out and left behind. For those who care for children or the elderly, there was no "hot vax summer," no time to mess around with NFTs, no opportunity to muse about geopolitics. Do we see brighter days ahead for caretakers in the US? Could this group become a distinct political constituency? Are there models outside the US we should be following? See also: Anne Helen Petersen's latest newsletter, "Why No One Can Hear Parents Screaming." <https://annehelen.substack.com/p/why-no-one-can-hear-parents-screaming>
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permalink #399 of 468: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 16 Jan 22 11:00
permalink #399 of 468: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Sun 16 Jan 22 11:00
Meanwhile we probably should pay more attention to attackers who have a business model: Hackers disrupt payroll for thousands of employers including hospitals <https://www.npr.org/2022/01/15/1072846933/kronos-hack-lawsuits> > In the weeks since the attack knocked out Kronos Private Cloud a service that includes some of the nation's most popular workforce management software employees from Montana to Florida have reported paychecks short by hundreds or thousands of dollars, as their employers have struggled to manage schedules and track hours without the help of the Kronos software. > Though Ultimate Kronos Group, the company that makes Kronos, says that it expects systems will be back online by the end of January, affected employers say they don't yet know for sure when they will actually be able to access their systems and information. I'm wondering when the ransomware wave finally peaks? One thing you can say about Bitcoin is that miners getting chased out of China and Kazakhstan doesn't seem to have affected operations. On the other hand, so far it makes for a lousy payroll system. Good enough for paying ransoms, though.
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permalink #400 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sun 16 Jan 22 11:08
permalink #400 of 468: Vinay Gupta (hexayurt) Sun 16 Jan 22 11:08
Bruce: a shotgun of minor footnotes. * I think you're spot on about China. I don't follow Chinese internal political nearly as closely as I should, given their enormous power and importance, so it's really nice to get a read of how they're wielding it. Do you think the Chinese can apply the HK/Tibet model to any place that isn't ethnically and culturally deeply influence by China already? Singapore is a little more diverse, but I'm thinking Dubai or Namibia. * My 2100 prediction: China, with an excellent history of handling steady state centuries, has taken over administration of earth within climatic boundaries. They've centralized essentially all manufacturing because it's more efficient that way particularly in ecological terms. But America does nearly all the space colonization, because American culture is a frontier culture in both myth and mindset and the living conditions are hard, the dangers intense, and the profits (if you live long enough to see them) staggering. * Modi -> BJP -> RSS -> Nath Sampradaya. (BJP = Republicans, RSS = Hindu Identarians, Naths = Knights Templar army blessing priest group). The history goes back to the original Muslim invasion of India, an event that many Hindus regard as fondly as the Irish recall the British invasion and for similar reasons. Some choose to fight rather than to submit, and Nepal becomes their stronghold. They tough it out without falling under the yoke for roughly a thousand years. Yogi Adityanath (a Nath Sampradaya monk turned politician, roughly equivalent to the Governor of California - runs UP which is 260 million people) and his predecessors are of the form of Hinduism which was sheltered in Nepal by the battles fought by (among others) the Gurkhas, who are the lineage brothers of the Naths. The Naths have been agitating at flash points like Ayodhya since the middle of the last century. It's basically a Reconquista as the Naths and the Nepali strain of Hinduism in general tries to recolonize the rest of India. https://journals.openedition.org/samaj/6778?lang=fr - Yogi Adityanath, the RSS and so on. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayodhya_dispute * full disclosure: I am now almost 20 years in the Nath Sampradaya. I don't agree with all of the politics folks like Adityanath are up to these days but I am far from a disinterested observer of these events. * final point: water, water, water. Huge disputes about the water coming out of the Himalayas https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/brahmaputra-river-china-dam- india-china-relation-7061644/ as the Chinese begin to exploit their position.
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