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permalink #0 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Fri 24 Jun 22 05:10
permalink #0 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Fri 24 Jun 22 05:10
For the next two weeks, we'll be discussing Kevin Driscoll's book _The Modem World: A Prehistory of Social Media_, published in May by Yale University Books: <https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300248142/the-modem-world/>. Kevin is an assistant professor of media studies at the University of Virginia. His research involves alternative histories of the internet, the politics of amateur telecommunications, and the moral economy of consumer software. In this episode, we discuss the history of the Internet, media's impact upon popular culture, and much more. His book is a history of bulletin board systems (BBSs) and early grassroots networks that preceded the privatization and commercialization of the Internet. He argues that "the modem world" of BBSs was as relevant as ARPANET to the creation of the Internet we have today, if not more so. It's fitting that we're having this discussion on The WELL, which began as a BBS based in the Bay Area.
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permalink #1 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Fri 24 Jun 22 05:12
permalink #1 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Fri 24 Jun 22 05:12
Kevin, welcome to Inkwell! I expect this will be a rich conversation. Just to start, could you tell us how you came to write this book? What piqued your 21st century interest in the BBS world?
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permalink #2 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Mon 27 Jun 22 07:30
permalink #2 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Mon 27 Jun 22 07:30
Hi! Thanks for inviting me. I started working on this book as a grad student studying internet culture and political communication. As I became immersed in the field, I was surprised to find how little historical attention had been paid to smaller-scale, community-oriented networks. I came online in the early 1990s. As a teen with a modem in suburban Massachusetts, my friends and I had a long list of BBSs to call. Later, an ISP opened in our town. They hung a sign up on Main St. that said "INTERNET" with an arrow pointing down an alley to their offices. So I encountered the online world as a local, tangible thing. Reflecting on this, I wondered how these (very uncommon) experiences shaped my beliefs about how the internet ought to work. Of the billions of people who use social media today, relatively few have any firsthand experience of online community before the Facebook era. And our shared sense of internet history is surprisingly narrow. If you ask folks where the internet came from, most people can only tell you a few stories about the defense industry or Silicon Valley. We don't have a strong collective memory of how the internet came to be the way that it is. This left me with a big question: What if the grassroots history of the internet was more widely known? How would we think differently about the problems of today's online world? Would we demand to be treated better by the platforms? Would policy debates play out differently? Would people be more resistant to surveillance or the exploitation of our personal data? How would we talk about the future? My goal is that _The Modem World_ will provide an alternative account of how the internet became social. Instead of particular protocols or firms, it is about millions of people across North America who came together to create their own experimental networks during 1980s and 1990s. The stories in the book are not meant to be definitive or exhaustive but rather a set of resources for imagining a better future for the internet.
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permalink #3 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 27 Jun 22 12:02
permalink #3 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Mon 27 Jun 22 12:02
So, basically, how did the Internet become social? What's an overview of that evolution?
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permalink #4 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Mon 27 Jun 22 13:25
permalink #4 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Mon 27 Jun 22 13:25
One place to start is in the mid-1970s. But before we talk about computers or data networks, I like to think about the bigger landscape of amateur media. Ham radio clubs were building VHF repeaters, CB radio was all over popular culture, video enthusiasts were swapping Betamax tapes by mail, underground comics and fanzines were proliferating, and so on. When microcomputers entered the picture, there was already a lot of excitement about appropriating technology for the purposes of information sharing and community building. In 1978, Byte magazine published a how-to article titled, "Hobbyist Computerized Bulletin Board," by Ward Christensen and Randy Suess. The authors explained how they used a microcomputer and modem to create a space for members of their local computer club to ask questions and swap technical tips. Within a few years, there were hundreds of similar bulletin boards running around the country. By the start of the 1990s, there were tens of thousands, many of which exchanged messages with one another, as well as with university networks and commercial services. Taken together, we can think of these networks as a kind of _people's internet_, a grassroots online world run mainly out of the homes of hobbyists and volunteers. A key inflection point came in the 1990s with the privatization of the internet and the growth of consumer online services. In this pre-boom moment, BBS users and operators represented a vanguard. They were some of the only people with firsthand experience living and running online communities. Although the term "BBS" was abandoned, the influence of BBS culture spread onto the Web and beyond. OK! So that's my very high-level gloss on some complex historical events. :) I'm curious to hear how it resonates with your experiences and happy to dig in to the details.
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permalink #5 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Mon 27 Jun 22 13:30
permalink #5 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Mon 27 Jun 22 13:30
Also, one neat thing about this book is that many of the primary sources are available on the public Web. Whenever I can, I'll drop some links into the thread. For example, the 1978 article by Christensen and Suess is up on the Internet Archive: <https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1978-11-rescan/page/n151/mode/1up>
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permalink #6 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 28 Jun 22 01:00
permalink #6 of 234: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Tue 28 Jun 22 01:00
You've made a great point about how the Internet of today exists because of a convergence of systems and intentions. I was in the middle of it, but I didn't see it clearly until I read your book. I bought a computer specifically to access the WELL, having been influenced for years by Whole Earth Catalog and all the related publications. When I found out about the WELL, I saw it as a way for me to connect with the community I'd been experiencing remotely through those publications. I bought a computer and a modem, but then the question was how to connect. I had to use phone lines to dial in, and the WELL was based in Sausalito - an expensive long distance call at the time. How did the constraint of working through POTS ("plain old telephone service") have an impact on the evolution of BBS systems?
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permalink #7 of 234: Administrivia (jonl) Tue 28 Jun 22 06:59
permalink #7 of 234: Administrivia (jonl) Tue 28 Jun 22 06:59
Public link for this conversation for those who are not members of the WELL is <https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/520/Kevin-Driscoll-The-Modem-W orld-A-page01.html>. Short link is <https://bit.ly/modem-world>. Readers who are not members of the WELL can't post comments and questions directly, but can email them to inkwell at well.com. We'll try to get all the comments and questions posted. Plutopia News Network has posted two audio interviews with Kevin at <https://plutopia.io/kevin-driscoll-the-modem-world/> and <https://plutopia.io/kevin-driscoll-modem-world-convergence/>. Kevin's website is at <https://kevindriscoll.info/>. Kevin on Twitter: <https://twitter.com/kevindriscoll?lang=en>
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permalink #8 of 234: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 28 Jun 22 07:15
permalink #8 of 234: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 28 Jun 22 07:15
This is a fascinating subject in many ways. I was among those early hobbyists who first went online with my CompuPro system and modem software that had to be recompiled each time I decided to change a keyboard preference. My initial goal was to get software for said system, but I remember the lightbulb going on in late 1984/early 1985 when I posted an account of what a group of Witness for Peace folks with whom I traveled to Nicaragua had found, and immediately found an audience of people I had never met. From there I experimented with hosting my own BBS, then a Fido node. But, I have to say that I came to loathe what passed for discussion on those boards. From my perspective, there was a lot of bad-to-toxic fundamentalism online, from the bad jokes, right-wing assholery, and of course, the ever-present "you have to get the latest version of MyApp23 or you are deficient" conversation. I found Usenet much richer, once I discovered it (although that had its own sad fate as access opened up to a torrent of people who had not been acculturated--and who were far more representative of communities, overall, than the academics who initially owned the system), and the example of the WELL far more interesting. For decades I have looked back at BBS's the way that I look back at S-100 bus computers - an exciting stop on the way to more interesting systems, but not a phase or an environment for which I feel any nostalgia. Clearly, you are seeing things differently. I'm looking forward to reading about what you experienced through very different eyes than mine.
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permalink #9 of 234: Nancy White (choco) Tue 28 Jun 22 07:18
permalink #9 of 234: Nancy White (choco) Tue 28 Jun 22 07:18
Hey, Kevin, welcome and thanks for writing the book. I feel similarly about the undiscovered/lost history of how communities discover and appropriate technology for their own uses. Right from the start of the book, the passages I started marking were ones where you talk about "amateurs" and hobbyists which later seems to morph into those wanting to support community and those who wanted to make money. That line or gradient across the range of intentions fascinates me. Most of those "amateurs" and "hobbyists" were/are skilled professionals. The difference was they weren't paid to do the work. Do you think the labels they carried somehow diminished how the larger world saw them and subsequently relegated their history to the odd print out and ancient disk here and there? Our cultures respect seems to sit on how much money someone made/sold for... I feel my inner curmudgeon show its face when so many never know or hear the stories that shaped where we are today. So thanks for writing the book. I'll form a post that is more like a question after I get my coffee!! <Ari> slipped - Ari, my sister was deeply involved with Witness for Peace, but not the online side of it. Cool!
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permalink #10 of 234: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 28 Jun 22 07:23
permalink #10 of 234: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 28 Jun 22 07:23
Interesting point, Nancy. I do remember that in the early hobbyist community (this is where folks like <lee> should chip in - I was a sprat and have minimal direct knowledge) it was a point of pride to donate code - not yet an open source movement, per se, but getting there. When the PC operating systems became dominant, the model changed to shareware, and worse, commercial plays. (I actually liked the idea of paying money to keep the people solvent who made the software that made my life easier, but that's a dynamic still playing out.)
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permalink #11 of 234: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 28 Jun 22 09:42
permalink #11 of 234: Scott Underwood (esau) Tue 28 Jun 22 09:42
> Ham radio clubs were building VHF repeaters, CB radio was all over popular culture I was in high school in the late '70s and my girlfriend showed me her afterschool hobby: sitting in her dad's truck and talking on the CB radio to strangers in the neighborhood, usually adult men (but she said it never got weird). I knew about CBs among truckers (and that was its own community) but this seemed more like using a public payphone that was also a party line. Also, one of the fathers in our neighborhood was a serious ham radio buff who had a huge antenna and a wall of electronic gear -- sometimes his signal would interfere with my guitar amp. On the opposite wall was a world map and he marked places where he'd made contact with others. I asked what they talked about and he said, "Radio gear, mostly." I thought of both these things when I discovered Usenet and BMUG in the late '80s.
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permalink #12 of 234: Nancy White (choco) Tue 28 Jun 22 09:51
permalink #12 of 234: Nancy White (choco) Tue 28 Jun 22 09:51
Funny, my brother in law and his son are still HUGE ham folk and the BIL needs to move soon and one criteria is the ability to have his antenna! My dad used to love the CB when he and mom did a lot of RVing. When I moved west, he installed a CB in my car. It was a yellow VW rabbit and my handle was sunflower. He thought that would keep me safe! :-)
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permalink #13 of 234: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 28 Jun 22 09:51
permalink #13 of 234: Ari Davidow (ari) Tue 28 Jun 22 09:51
Yes, the most common discussion on BBS's was computers and computer gear.
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permalink #14 of 234: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 28 Jun 22 10:14
permalink #14 of 234: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 28 Jun 22 10:14
I would have posted sooner, but for that link to the Byte article -- as a Byte subscriber, I read that article when it first appeared. And as a 'magazine' of many ideas and interests, there are amazing similarities to what we see going on today. One thing I enjoyed about this book, Kevin, was the human-level details of how it all evolved. I'm always fascinated by the contrast between lived experience and the stories we tell about that after the fact. Sort of 'history' vs. 'reality.' Telling stories is such an integral part of how we think, so much so that story selection very much directs our thinking overall. So I'm with you on the importance of multiple perspectives. But also, like Nancy, I'm interested in the 'line or gradient across the range of intentions' -- not just the statistical average intention that aggregated stories suggest. Each individual was following their own, complex set of impulses -- and yet it's impossible for us to fully know them all. But the more we can see of them, the better we can think.
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permalink #15 of 234: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 28 Jun 22 10:42
permalink #15 of 234: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 28 Jun 22 10:42
I'm another example of one who started with amateur radio before touching a computer. The direct technical path to the 'modem world' was via the Carterphone -- the device needed to link a network of HAM radio operators to the telephone network: a 'phone-patch.' The first-order intentions here were completely modest: just improve on having the radio operator hold the telephone handset up to the radio's microphone and speaker. But these modest intentions were foundational. The other path from radios to computing was psychological: there was a significant overlap in terms of the types of people interested in both.
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permalink #16 of 234: I was oilers1972, now going by (mct67) Tue 28 Jun 22 12:19
permalink #16 of 234: I was oilers1972, now going by (mct67) Tue 28 Jun 22 12:19
"But, I have to say that I came to loathe what passed for discussion on those boards. From my perspective, there was a lot of bad-to-toxic fundamentalism online, from the bad jokes, right-wing assholery" 'Twas ever thus.
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permalink #17 of 234: tom jennings (tomj) Tue 28 Jun 22 15:58
permalink #17 of 234: tom jennings (tomj) Tue 28 Jun 22 15:58
I'm here lurking, not really clear to me where to begin, but ask and I'll likely answer :-)
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permalink #18 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 28 Jun 22 16:01
permalink #18 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 28 Jun 22 16:01
Ack! I'm playing catch up here! Let me start with <jonl>'s question in <6>: > How did the constraint of working through POTS ("plain old telephone service") have an impact on the evolution of BBS systems? The plain old telephone service played a huge role in the culture and structure of dial-up BBSs. By the late 1970s, telephone service was ubiquitous across most of the US. This meant that nearly everyone you met had a telephone number and knew how to make calls. And with the shift toward deregulation/privatization, the Bell System was being opened up at the edges. Retrospectively, Ma Bell was a common carrier accessible from millions of standardized wall sockets. By the start of the 1980s, it was effectively becoming a public platform for telecom experimentation. The catch was that the cost of a telephone call varied by time and distance. The North American Numbering Plan (NANP) sliced up the continent into regions. So calling The WELL at night from across the Bay cost a lot less than it did during the day from across the country. The exception--and this was rather uncommon outside of the US--was that local calls were billed at a flat rate. As a result, most BBS activity stayed within a local calling area to avoid a big phone bill. (And almost everyone has a horror story about That One Big Bill!) You can also see the effect of long-distance dialing costs reflected in historical BBS lists which tended to be organized by three-digit area code, rather than by interest or function, e.g. <http://bbslist.textfiles.com/> So, over the years, BBS enthusiasts figured out lots of ways to circumvent or reduce the cost of long distance calling-- <tomj>, your ears might be burning. But, for the most part, dial-up BBSs served users who lived or worked nearby. For some folks, the area code even became a marker of shared identity. You might see someone brandishing their area code as a point of pride-- "Don't mess with 434!" OK! I need to digest these other comments... back in a flash. :)
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permalink #19 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 28 Jun 22 16:06
permalink #19 of 234: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 28 Jun 22 16:06
Side note: it's funny trying to figure out the tone for this conversation. I'm so accustomed to talking to students or at least folks with a lot less first-hand knowledge. Please forgive me if this is all old hat!
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permalink #20 of 234: Axon (axon) Tue 28 Jun 22 17:07
permalink #20 of 234: Axon (axon) Tue 28 Jun 22 17:07
A couple of notes; the early, predigital, social technology networks must include mixtapes and trading thereof. And the constraints of long distance also gave rise to <crunch> and the Phreaks. An indispensable contribution to the wild west ethos of the emerging datasphere. Bypassing tolls extended the reach of the early BBS sites.
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permalink #21 of 234: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 28 Jun 22 17:32
permalink #21 of 234: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 28 Jun 22 17:32
Greetings, Tom! Glad you are here. And hi Alan: > A couple of notes; the early, predigital, social technology networks > must include mixtapes and trading thereof. This sort of gets at the heart of the matter: *what* EXACTLY must we include? While reading the book I was reminded of what were called APA (Amateur Publishing Associations) -- yet another way that people with the drive to *make contact* were reaching out. It seems that what needs including depends a great deal on what our purpose may be. How rich and complete do our stories need to be?
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permalink #22 of 234: masked and ready! (jet) Tue 28 Jun 22 20:19
permalink #22 of 234: masked and ready! (jet) Tue 28 Jun 22 20:19
Also coming in a bit late due to some family issues. This is a great book and I'm glad it's so well researched and written. My design brain is still cranky about putting all the footnotes in the afterpages instead on the page, but we can have a duel about that at dawn. :-) I got on BBSes in late 1985 during my freshman year in college. I quickly got *off* BBSes after being invited to join Roundtable, one of the first CB simulators. (CB simulators are almost their own topic, I was sad to not see these featured as a chapter of the modem world.) While I was in college I was introduced to BRC, IRC, and USENET so I never really got in to the local BBS scene. Our CB sim had a BBS that we used mostly for coordinating things like group dinners or brunches. The CB sim Roundtable (and PennyNet, its economy sibling) were each two Apple IIs bussed together with a total of 16 modems. That is, up to 16 people could dial up, chat in real time (like IRC) or a single person could go to the BBS and post/read notes. From there I discovered USENET and that I could access that on my University of Houston student account. I got a job at the startup "Integrated BancSystems", made us a USENET node, we tanked when the market crashed. In lieu of pay, they let me take home my AT&T 3B1 (Safari) and I continued to run a USENET node out of my apartment for a few years. One intersting thing about Houston was that the zip code was physically vast. I remember there being several hundred BBS systems that were all a local, toll-free call. I wonder if I still have a saved file of all the BBSes. I have printouts in the basement and saved files on my other computer from those years. I even wrote a term paper my freshman year on a stats analysis of CB sim traffic! Time to go digging in history... For those of you who remember RT, my handle was often "Eric (0 Trump)" where the "0" was often replaced by the Tarot card that reflected my mood.
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permalink #23 of 234: Nancy White (choco) Wed 29 Jun 22 06:32
permalink #23 of 234: Nancy White (choco) Wed 29 Jun 22 06:32
<clm> and how we define "social media!"
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permalink #24 of 234: Susan Carley Oliver (ohbejoyful) Wed 29 Jun 22 15:28
permalink #24 of 234: Susan Carley Oliver (ohbejoyful) Wed 29 Jun 22 15:28
Greetings Tom! For a good and proper wellcome, and pointers to places and people you might be interested in, check out the Wellcome conference. And of course, let us know a bit about you, fill out your bio a bit, so that we don't point you to the surfing conference when your real interest is in pre-Renaissance poetry. :)
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permalink #25 of 234: Alan Turner (arturner) Wed 29 Jun 22 16:47
permalink #25 of 234: Alan Turner (arturner) Wed 29 Jun 22 16:47
I'm Alan, and if I remember right my first experience online was through Compuserve, when I moved to an office that used AutoCAD. Compuserve hosted the user's group for ACAD, and a free month (or something) of C-serve was included in the box. I had a primitive computer (A Coleco Adam, if you must know) and got a modem for it which surely was 300 baud. I didn't find the ACAD user group very useful, but discovered the CB simulator (two channels!) and I spent an absurd amount of time with that. When that machine died (poor reliability killed that product quickly) and I replaced it with a used Mac, but never got a modem. A bit later I was allowed to lug an IBM 5150 home and was determined to make into a more modern computer, from a 386 motherboard up. I guess that made me a tinkerer, kinda sorta. MAybe little league, at best. Howard Rheingold's book Virtual Reality was published in 1991, and it looked like an interesting idea and possibly a future technology for computer designed architecture. There was a brief mention of The WeLL in it, and it sounded interesting. A little like the CB simulator, but with topics sorted by interest. Some months later there was a tiny ad for The WeLL in some computer magazine, and I dove in head first. The timeline you paint in your book felt a bit like my own. If someone had explained it to a Martian and he translated it back.
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