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permalink #51 of 227: Lena via lendie (lendie) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:32
permalink #51 of 227: Lena via lendie (lendie) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:32
I believe there is either a penny whistle modem or prototype for one in our garage. maybe also design schematics. my first modem was 1200 baud. iI still miss the handshake sounds.
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permalink #52 of 227: Lena via lendie (lendie) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:38
permalink #52 of 227: Lena via lendie (lendie) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:38
i've been trying to get <lee> and <pozar> to come participate in this discussion.
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permalink #53 of 227: Lena via lendie (lendie) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:47
permalink #53 of 227: Lena via lendie (lendie) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:47
I think I found handshake sounds as kind of a courtship. hey! you there? i'm here. wanna hookup? yeah. i'll send the first signals.
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permalink #54 of 227: Tom jennings (tomj) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:50
permalink #54 of 227: Tom jennings (tomj) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:50
Well I wasn't too wise about the money angle then. I was nerding out (phoenix) and they were going for public sale. In hindsight, I think they knew I was essentially fucking off on their dollar, but it kept me out of competitors' employ. And my next move after Phoenix was to drop anyway. Met up with folks in the SF punk, queer, activist, artist scene, we leased a warehouse at 164 Shipley, started Shred of Dignity Skaters' Union, I continued worked on Fido/FidoNet more or less living off the shareware income (IT WAS NOT MUCH BELIEVE ME lol) and funding a lot of Shred's activities. That left me free to take on the early Little Garden stuff when that became an annoyance Gilmore, Pozar, Crocker, etc. That occurred the year or so before the CO/RE split in the internet, and when Rick Adams told Gilmore, "Go find another provider" when John pissed Adams off (lol). Then the early-net games began in earnest. Socially/culturally during that time -- 1983 through 1993, when we left the two Shred warehouses, then 1994 through 1996 when I lived on Rondel and ran TLG (a block away at 16/Mission) -- was the intense peak of all the punk/queer punk stuff in San Francisco. We (me, Shawn Ford and Duke (David) Crestfield) were older than everyone else (OK Shawn was 15 or 16! but core nonetheless) and organized. We got shit done. Hit and run shows often (we'd flyer for some location, often Beale and Brannon at the Base of the Bay Bridge, and pretty much every daylight savings morning, not a good idea), bands played til the cops showed up. (Pat Cadigan fictionalized them, coincidence or not.) Organized street protests (No on 96/102; we routinely outmaneuvered the police, and had a better sound system!) Shred alum, about 20, 30 people over the years, more or less all went on to do amazing things; Donna Dresch, Diet Popstitute (Klubstitute, Sick and Twisted Players), Honey Owens (Valet, etc) ... many of us still in touch, however peripherally via the FB thing). For TLG (The Little Garden) I/we hired our smart, persistent punk friends and paid them using the Rainbow Grocery model: fairly average shit pay for a trial period, then raises hard and fast. We had health coverage with a group size of 3! In 1995! I have no idea if it was any good, lol, but we did it. We paid well too, but there was crazy growth. We trained a half doen folk who ended up in the net business as engineers, one way or another. TLG grew ~ 15%/month for two years (?), and sold out before we were steam-rollered; we had no plan, no big money, but man we made cash, $150K/month. If we hadn't we would have been displaced. What was so radical about TLG was that 1) we allowed unlimited resale, and would help customers get CIDR and DNS for CIDR subsets and 2) we provided pipe ala carte; explained how to lease your own circuit from telco, which routers to buy/make, how to config them, ... The allow-resale was not foolish at all; it allowed our customers to become eg. ISPs that did specialized services that TLG did not (email, web hosting, etc). We were not simply a middle-man; we handled scale for them. We did have a very few customers who split off, way out growing us. But that was rare, and offloaded us, and they weren't competitors, but biz too large to need our scaling and services. These splits were very friendly. We even allowed 24/7 100% connections via modem. We freaked people out and it was good. A lot of code and hardware, 8080/z80, then x86, got written in the sidelines
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permalink #55 of 227: Tom jennings (tomj) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:51
permalink #55 of 227: Tom jennings (tomj) Fri 1 Jul 22 14:51
Pozar could error-correct my dubious and flawed memory, in addition to his obvious and varied contribution here.
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permalink #56 of 227: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 1 Jul 22 16:30
permalink #56 of 227: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 1 Jul 22 16:30
It's great to learn this stuff.
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permalink #57 of 227: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Sat 2 Jul 22 07:39
permalink #57 of 227: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Sat 2 Jul 22 07:39
I'm glad we're capturing and preserving this detail! I didn't think of myself doing technology before the mid-80s, but I had been reading the Whole Earth publications, especially CoEvolution Quarterly, and was aware of the Whole Earth Software Review (though I didn't read it, because I didn't have a computer yet when it appeared). In Coevolution, which became Whole Earth Review (and was an inspiration for the 'zine we created in the 90s, Fringe Ware Review), I learned about the WELL and was hot to join so that I could connect with all the people I'd been reading over the years. We bought got a small bank loan and bought a computer at PCs Limited (which later became Dell Computers), and I found myself with a box of tech, a monitor, a 300 baud modem, and a big stack of manuals that were often hard to decipher. But I plowed into it, and told my wife I was going to dial into the WELL via long distance. She told me I was out of my mind, and we debated about the considerable long distance charges that could entail, to dial into Sausalito from Austin. While I was softening her resistance, I dialed in to local BBS systems, especially SMOF-BBS, Pair-O-Dice BBS, and Illuminati Online. SMOF stood for "Secret Masters of Fandom," a BBS run by the late Earl Cooley, AKA Shiva, populated mostly by science fiction authors and fans. Since I was into science fiction in a big way, it was a natural place for me to hang out. SMOF hosted, Cheap Truth, the first digital 'zine I ever saw, written by "Jules Verne," who turned out to be Bruce Sterling - this was part of the pathway into our long friendship and association. There was also "Johnny Mnemonic," who turned out to be Mike Godwin. Pair-O-Dice was operated by the late Bob Anderson, aka Bazooka, a UT art professor. He and I became good friends, and he helped me realize the possibilities for online art. He was part of the OTIS collective, which later renamed as SITO. Illuminati Online was run by Steve Jackson Games. Steve used it for play testing and connecting with fans. This is the BBS that was raided by the Secret Service around the time the Electronic Frontier Foundation was forming. By then I was a member or the WELL, as were Bruce, Mike, and Steve. EFF was forming here, and had an active conference. When Steve's business was raided, he immediately logged into SMOF to let people know what had happened. He had no idea why he was raided. Of course Bruce and Mike were both aware of it, and Mike was in the process of joining EFF as it's first counsel, and that's how EFF became so quickly involved in what became the Steve Jackson Games case against the Secret Service. A cause celebre at the time, and inspiration for Bruce's nonfiction book "The Hacker Crackdown." At some point EFF started talking about being a chapters organization, and Steve suggested that Austin should have the alpha chapter. He sounded a call for a big picnic at his workplace. People showed up with tons of food - Shiva and I bought a massive sandwich something like four feet long and carried it with us to the soiree. Steve climbed on a table and made a rousing call to action speech, announcing that EFF would form and asking for potential board members to volunteer. That's how I became part of the first board of directors for what became EFF-Austin, and there's a whole history from there. John Quarterman, mentioned in Kevin's book, was also on the board. John was an Internet consultant (this was 1992 or so, before mainstreaming, so he and his partner Smoot Carl-Mitchell, also a board member, were consultants for the universities and r&d firms that were using the Internet at the time). John taught me some unix, which helped me on the WELL, and he taught me a lot about the structure of the Internet and how to use various facilities like Usenet. He kept reminding me that "the WELL is not the Internet." Anyway, that's how I came to be an Internet maven. I was a writer frustrated that I couldn't figure out where to publish the kind of stuff I wanted to write, and this solved the problem - I started writing for various publications like Mondo 2000, Boing Boing, 21C, Factsheet Five, Mindjack etc. I became an associated editor at Boing Boing, where I met Paco Nathan, who also lived in Austin at the time and was a genius who could do pretty much anything. He wrote listserv software for our email list, and he mastered Pagemaker when we decided to create a magazine/catalog, which was Fringe Ware Review. He even created a FringeWare font. We knew that there were people who had cool products but couldn't find cost-effective ways to bring them to market, so our core idea was to become an online store. Except we discovered that banks wouldn't support credit card purchases online - we had to have a bricks and mortar store to get approved to accept credit cards, which was how there came to be a FringeWare store... though we also sold via mail order from the magazine, which had a catalog in the back pages, something I'd learned from "Famous Monsters of Filmland." We didn't make a lot of money, and I never saw a dime - I had a job, and any money we got went to Paco and to pay authors, something we were scrupulous about even though we couldn't pay much. I had issues over time which I don't think Paco and other FringeWare folks understood - though I thought at the time they should be obvious. I eventually left the company, which continued for a few years.
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permalink #58 of 227: masked and ready! (jet) Sat 2 Jul 22 11:48
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I was wondering, how many of you are still in touch with your "BBS friends" since the web and social media changed everything? I can think of two people I'm still in touch with, we follow each other on Twitter and have visited each other a few times in the past 20 years. For the most part, tho, my BBS friends in Houston were all local to Houston or sometimes Austin. I might look them up the next time I'm down that way.
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permalink #59 of 227: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 2 Jul 22 12:04
permalink #59 of 227: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 2 Jul 22 12:04
My first exposure to proto-online media was in BITNET groups over the Internet in 1983. I found usenet just after the Great Renaming in 1987. I'm still in touch on social media with many people I met through those media in the '80s and early '90s, including <jet>.
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permalink #60 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Sat 2 Jul 22 12:47
permalink #60 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Sat 2 Jul 22 12:47
00~Thanks (jonl) for alerting me and inviting to this thread. I see my name mentioned a couple of times here. Thought I would chime in here. First off, you may want to check out Jason Scott's excellent documentary on BBSs of the era called simply "BBS Documentary". https://archive.org/details/bbs_documentary My interview for the documentary is at: https://archive.org/details/bbs-20020730-pozar There is also an interview of myself about The Little Garden by Marc Weber in 1996 right after we sold TLG. <puff piece> Back in 1977 (or so) I purchased a Vector Graphics S-100 kit with a Tarbell tape interface and a "modern" Z80 instead of the 8080 chips that were out there. I also bought a early modem that ran at 300 baud but with some tricks you could get it to do 600 baud. I originally wanted this in order to get into our University's IBM 360 computer and not have to go in to submit batch jobs. And thanks to Randy and Ward's CBBS, among other systems springing up, I was able to exchange files, email and chat in real time to distance folks. All of a sudden my community expanded from just my friends in my home town of Fresno to a world-wide group of nerds. Fast forward to March of 1984 when I moved to San Francisco to take the job of being the Chief Engineer of KLOK-FM (was KSFX, KGO-FM). A couple of years later the station bartered some time for a bunch of Eagle computers. I still had my S-100 box but that was quickly replaced with something I didn't have to align the disk drives every day. Leo Laporte was one of the DJs at KLOK-FM at that point and a bit of a nerd as well (Seems he made a career of it.) We bonded a bit in running to conferences together among other geeky things. One day, Leo showed me an article about Fidonet. I was ecstatic as Tom's software radically changed the landscape of BBSs in that there was a protocol that would exchange mail with each other. I had to run one and shortly after, I had a personal node up and one dedicated for KLOK-FM for the listeners. (About this same time I also joined the Well.) I became a bit of a fanatic about Fidonet and quickly contacted Tom to talk more about it. Tom was very welcoming and we spent many hours at his place at on Buchanan St or chatting at Cafe Flore on Market. I got involved in trying to establish an organization to support Fidonet that we called the International Fidonet Association (IFA?). (I remember pushing back on the name as there was a name space collision with the International Frisbee Association.) In joining the well, I got to know Hugh Daniel and his various friends. This got me introduced with John Gilmore and Erik Fair. More about these two in a moment. In order to help with the community and get Fidonet news out, Tom published a weekly Fidonet Newsletter. As the Well was apart of USENET and with help from Erik, the comp.org.fidonet newsgroup was established and I would post Tom's newsletters there. This got me wondering, with all this FidoNet vs USENET concern, why not create software that would gateway between UNIX to UNIX Copy Program (UUCP) mail and USENET conferences and FidoNet's email and echo conferences. This is where Gilmore comes into the picture again. Hugh Daniel and John Gilmore had been working with Richard Stallman to free up UNIX from AT&T. This meant re-writing as much of the code to not have any AT&T intellectual property in it. One of the things John was working on was the UUCICO program that was the transport program for UUCP. UUCICO ran a proprietary protocol (called "G"), among others, to dial up other UUCP-enabled sites to exchange mail and USENET. Both USENET and FidoNet were store-and-forward networks over dial-up phone lines. John's work uncovered a clone of UUCICO that someone wrote called UUSLAVE. John spent a bunch of time reverse engineering Protocol G to get UUSLAVE to work with it. I took John's code and ported it to MicroSoft C and coded it to support the FOSSIL serial port drivers. So now MSDOS boxes could exchange UUCP-style mail but the format and addressing schemes for UUCP were totally different than Fidonet. This meant that we had to come up with programs that would convert UUCP to FidoNet mail files. As I knew Tom, he gave me the source for reading and creating Fidonet mail. UUCP used an open standard for mail called RFC-822 and used RFC-1036 for USENET. A bunch of time was spent with two other friends, John Galvin and Garry Paxinos to create these conversion programs. Lots of testing and long distance calls later as well as a long story working with SRI to get a domain name and mapping the Fidonet Zone:Net/Node addressing scheme to a domain name, we came out with the package called UFGATE that BBS operators could run on their Fidonet BBSs and exchange mail with UUCP hosts. A bunch of FidoNet nodes used UFGATE or the following clones of UFGATE for other BBSs. This caused all sort of hue and cry by UUCP/USENET folks saying we were polluting their net with machines that didn't run "real" operating systems. We just ignored that as there was a sizable number of Fidonet and UUCP system operators that wanted these gateways. Enter Randy Bush, whom Tom mentioned in his posts. Randy wanted everyone connected at that time (as we all did) but he had the contacts at universities. There were a couple of universities in South Africa that were blocked for exchanging email with other countries due to our sanctions against South Africa on apartheid. We didn't feel that isolating communications for a country was going to help in the matter. In fact, we felt the opposite as it just creates an echo chamber for the local countries policies. Randy took UFGATE and set up a covert pipe between these universities and Fidonet so they could get out. At this same time, I established a UUCP connection with Lawrence Livermore National Labs (LLNL) to exchange mail and USENET. LLNL was happy as they had a back door to exchange mail with their colleges in South Africa. So all of LLNL' mail for South Africa was going through my little MS-DOS (FidoNet) and UNIX (ESIX) computers I had at home. Apartheid went and the Internet came. The landscape changed again. Of course, there are way more stories here. Now if you want to hear about The Little Garden... </puff piece>
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permalink #61 of 227: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 2 Jul 22 13:09
permalink #61 of 227: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 2 Jul 22 13:09
I loved the restaurant!
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permalink #62 of 227: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Sat 2 Jul 22 17:02
permalink #62 of 227: Inkwell Co-host (jonl) Sat 2 Jul 22 17:02
Thanks for joining us, Tim!
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permalink #63 of 227: masked and ready! (jet) Sat 2 Jul 22 19:41
permalink #63 of 227: masked and ready! (jet) Sat 2 Jul 22 19:41
> Leo Laporte was one of the DJs at KLOK-FM at that point and a bit Wow, I had no idea where he came from. I also liked The Little Garden, it was near to my house and the collection of "vintage" business cards was pretty amazing. I went to a few lunches/dinners there were 6 or 12 of us just said how many vegetarian and how many not people were in the group. Moved to walking distance around the time they changed owners and closed down. When I joined the EFF, I'm not sure I knew that the well existed or what it was. I was a SJG customer and involved, in, uh, somewhat possibly not legal use of phone lines, but I felt compelled to join: <https://www.flickr.com/photos/allartburns/8036144161/in/dateposted-public/>
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permalink #64 of 227: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 3 Jul 22 06:08
permalink #64 of 227: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Sun 3 Jul 22 06:08
I'll contribute two short things, from the early '90s when I was discovering online life. First, my dial-up list from '93. <img src="https://people.well.com/user/jnfr/misc/dial-up.jpg"> I was a political organizer in the '80s, and those connections continued somewhat onto the Internet as I discovered it. I don't recall there being much useful political organizing though, since so many of us weren't online yet, or were actually anti-tech to various degrees. Of course now, organizing online is radically different because of the expanded communication abilities we all have. The second thing is my memory, also from around that time, of using the Well's connection to the BARRNet gateway (I think that was the name) to go onto the Internet of that time and having to agree to never commit any commercial activity while in the system. It was forbidden. Oh, and one other small memory that reminds me of how accessing the riches of the Internet was also incredibly frustrating when using a 800 or 1200 baud modem: I could use gopher to look through the Smithsonian archives directly - they were rapidly digitizing their photo collection for example - but I couldn't afford the time it would take to actually download any pictures at 1200 baud when the pics were megabytes of data. I was paying long-distance charges and also per-hour charges to use the Well, and I could see all the digital photos were there but it was too expensive to access them.
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permalink #65 of 227: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 3 Jul 22 10:32
permalink #65 of 227: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 3 Jul 22 10:32
Let's jump briefly ahead to the Well's Medieval times, when we were briefly the property of the late Bruce Katz: <https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/02/business/bruce-katz-dead.html> I recall meeting him at a Well gathering. My impression of him throughout his tenure was one of a rich, game and befuddled guy who wanted to make the Well a big-time thing, somehow. There was talk of franchises, regional Wells, things not quite hare-brained but pretty scattershot.
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permalink #66 of 227: Craig Louis (craig1st) Mon 4 Jul 22 00:09
permalink #66 of 227: Craig Louis (craig1st) Mon 4 Jul 22 00:09
Cyber Scouts..
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permalink #67 of 227: Ari Davidow (ari) Mon 4 Jul 22 04:45
permalink #67 of 227: Ari Davidow (ari) Mon 4 Jul 22 04:45
I still have my "You own your own fucking words" New York WELL t-shirt.
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permalink #68 of 227: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Mon 4 Jul 22 09:16
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<https://people.well.com/user/jnfr/96picnic/yoyofuck.jpg>
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permalink #69 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Mon 4 Jul 22 09:44
permalink #69 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Mon 4 Jul 22 09:44
Figuring that the topic is about the book, it arrived last night at 7:30 and I am half way through it. I am very happy to see FidoNet's history get some ink here. It impacted so many folks and defiantly had an impact on the online culture, and as Barlow coined "meat-space". Thank you Kevin for dedicating a chapter to it.
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permalink #70 of 227: Hoover Chan (hchan) Mon 4 Jul 22 09:51
permalink #70 of 227: Hoover Chan (hchan) Mon 4 Jul 22 09:51
tomj, pozar, great to hear your comments and reflections here. This topic also reminded me of Dave Hughes' writings online.
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permalink #71 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Mon 4 Jul 22 23:23
permalink #71 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Mon 4 Jul 22 23:23
Kevin ... Thank you for the effort you put into this book. Of course, the details go much further than what a single book can contain. It would take volumes to just cover FidoNet's history. But you touched on many of the pain points that, frankly, I had forgotten about and shouldn't such as Lisa Downing's alienation at FidoCon. Thanks again... Tim
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permalink #72 of 227: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 5 Jul 22 07:56
permalink #72 of 227: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 5 Jul 22 07:56
Building on <tomj> and <pozar>'s comments about Fido in South Africa in <35> and <60>: it's fascinating to see how quickly Fido spread beyond the United States (and out of view of most folks living in the US.) By my count, the number of nodes in the US declined quickly after 1995 but there were huge components of the network that continued to grow and thrive in Europe and Asia for years after. As a result, the cultural meaning of FidoNet is very different in other places, such as former Soviet states. There is a lot of evidence of this out on the public Web but it is not in English. Historian Bo An is doing exciting research about the "CFido" network in China that, by necessity, used a variant of the Fido software that supported a Chinese character encoding. One way to get a sense of these branching histories by running their respective Wikipedia pages through Google Translate (these URLs look funky on Engaged but they should work when you click on them): - Russian: <https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%82> - Chinese: <https://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E4%B8%AD%E5%9B%BD%E6%83%A0%E5%A4%9A%E7%BD%91> So, yeah! We really do need a whole book on Fido history!
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permalink #73 of 227: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 5 Jul 22 08:30
permalink #73 of 227: Kevin Driscoll (driscoll) Tue 5 Jul 22 08:30
Thinking back to <jet>'s notes on the USENET archives in <29>. One funny thing about internet history is that it reveals how much has already been lost or deleted and how surprising that loss can feel. We kind of expect things to just stick around but "link rot" is very real. The available USENET archives are full of holes but they also make up one of the most complete records of the early Net that we've got! There is nothing comparable for Echomail or BITNET, never mind CompuServe, AOL, or GEnie. And even if you have access to old files or backup tapes, it may be difficult to recover the messages or reconstruct the conversations. Plus, there are tricky ethical questions with some of these systems. What if people were happy to have their messages vanish into the ether? When I think about these digital "afterlives", I often think about De Digitale Stad (aka DDS or "The Digital City"). It was a popular local system based in Amsterdam that ran from ~ 1994 to 2001. Super interesting visual aesthetics. A few years ago, a group of people reconstructed the DDS using archived data. But instead of connecting it to the public internet, they built a museum exhibition. Former users who visited the museum could log on using their old credentials! - Documentation of the revival: <https://reinder.rustema.nl/dds/> - Waag Futurelab exhibit info: <https://waag.org/en/project/digital-city-dds/> Related: the (academic) journal _Internet Histories_ just published a special issue on "platform death." It's a treasure trove for anyone interested in what is saved and what is lost from the online world. It's partially open access so please let me know if you need help accessing any of the articles: <https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rint20/6/1-2> Also related: really cool piece by Avery Dame-Griff using USENET archives to trace the genealogy of the term "cisgender" <https://www.historians.org/publications-and-directories/perspectives-on-histor y/may-2017/tracing-terminology-researching-early-uses-of-cisgender>
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permalink #74 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Tue 5 Jul 22 08:57
permalink #74 of 227: Tim Pozar (pozar) Tue 5 Jul 22 08:57
I was one of the first director of operations at Internet Archive. One of the first things I did was to set up an NNTP server to gather as much of the USENET conferences we could. We added that with Henry Spencer's archives from University of Toronto. It was searchable at one point. I think IA stopped archiving new postings when I left as there wasn't someone that took up the interest in dealing with NNTP peers and the social connections you needed to keep those connections up. Also the NNTP software was a bit finicky to run. Knowing Brewster, I expect the archive is still at IA some place packed away.
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permalink #75 of 227: David Gans (tnf) Tue 5 Jul 22 09:05
permalink #75 of 227: David Gans (tnf) Tue 5 Jul 22 09:05
>Leo LaPorte I appeared on his radio show to tout the WELL, way back in the day. I can't remember who I went with for that. Later, Leo said rude stuff about the WELL being nothing but "gassing about the Grateful Dead."
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