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permalink #26 of 124: Eric Rawlins (woodman) Fri 9 Jun 23 06:05
permalink #26 of 124: Eric Rawlins (woodman) Fri 9 Jun 23 06:05
Like David, I have nothing to add except my thanks for writing a hugely enjoyable book!
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permalink #27 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 9 Jun 23 07:52
permalink #27 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 9 Jun 23 07:52
Californians may be more literate than most about the difference between normal and strike-slip faults like the Hayward and San Andreas. But I hadnt thought about the complex movement added by our faults being near a subduction zone. Can you explain how that changes the environment here? And a little bit about how we can see the subduction zone itself in Oakland, because you mention that is pretty rare?
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permalink #28 of 124: Jordan is Puffball! (magdalen) Fri 9 Jun 23 20:44
permalink #28 of 124: Jordan is Puffball! (magdalen) Fri 9 Jun 23 20:44
Creepmeter would be a good retro nineties neoindistrial band name
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permalink #29 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 9 Jun 23 21:06
permalink #29 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 9 Jun 23 21:06
Subduction is no longer active in the Bay area, so our tectonic picture is simpler than elsewhere like Southern California, where the San Andreas fault system is badly bent, and California north of Cape Mendocino, where subduction is still active (along with the Pacific Northwest). What we see in Oakland, as we do all up and down the Coast Range, is dismembered pieces of the former subduction zone. Starting in 1970, California geologists did pioneering work describing and analyzing subduction zones based on those pieces, which represent the depths as well as the breadth of a well-formed subduction zone. Oakland is lucky in having a very representative set of subduction-related rocks.
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permalink #30 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 9 Jun 23 23:13
permalink #30 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 9 Jun 23 23:13
Say more!
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permalink #31 of 124: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 10 Jun 23 01:26
permalink #31 of 124: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 10 Jun 23 01:26
Starting with the present, the San Andreas fault system extends from the head of the Gulf of California to the Mendocino Triple Junction. It moves at a speed of about two centimeters a year, roughly the rate at which our fingernails grow. It's a right lateral fault, which means that wherever you look across the fault the other side is moving to your right. While most of the motion we're familiar with today takes place on the Sam Andreas Fault the fault system is made up of a number of roughly parallel strands, including the Hayward Fault, the Calaveras Fault, the Pilarcitos Fault, and the Pescadero Fault. This is why when we look at a geologic map of the Bay Region we see a pattern of northwest-trending slivers of contrasting rock types next to one another.
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permalink #32 of 124: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 10 Jun 23 01:37
permalink #32 of 124: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Sat 10 Jun 23 01:37
At the south end the strike-slip motion grows out of the seafloor spreading that's opening the Gulf of California. At the north end the fault curves around until it's perpendicular to the coast, and merges into the Mendocino Fracture Zone within the Pacific Plate, a scar in the Pacific Plate that has had faster seafloor spreading on one side than on the other. There's a big S-curve in the fault in Southern California, from about the latitude of Santa Maria down to San Bernardino. Because the fault motion isn't parallel to the trend of the fault the two sides of the fault push against each other, and push up mountain ranges: the San Bernardino Mountains, the San Gabriel Mountains, the Transverse Ranges. Where the fault is more or less straight the two sides of the fault still press against one another because the motion of the Pacific Plate isn't quite parallel to the motion of the North American Plate. This pressure pushes up the Coast Ranges and propels small faults, some of them strike-slip and some of them thrust faults.
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permalink #33 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sat 10 Jun 23 10:44
permalink #33 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sat 10 Jun 23 10:44
Mary, the textbook subduction zone consists of an oceanic plate plunging beneath another plate (which can be oceanic or continental). The west side of South America is a good analog of what California looked like through the entire Cretaceous Period and well into the Cenozoic Era that followed (and in which we live today). Where the two plates meet is a deep-sea trench running offshore. As the descending plate encounters more heat and pressure, it releases most of the water it contains. This water triggers melting in and beneath the overriding plate, and ta-dah you have a long line of volcanoes. Between the volcanoes and the trench is a belt of busy territory that (1) collects a huge load of sediment eroding off the volcanoes and (2) dumps a lot of it into the trench in landslides of all sizes -- it's called a foreland basin. In central California the volcanic chain is now the Sierra Nevada, representing the volcanoes' deep granite roots. The foreland basin is still around -- the Central Valley. The trench area with its slumgullion of mixed rocks and sediments is represented by the Franciscan Complex, found up and down the Coast Range. The Oakland Hills contain slices and packets of Franciscan and Great Valley Sequence rocks, not to mention the oddball ophiolite, a long slice of oceanic crust that wound up on land during the subduction era. You may ask, what about the Sierra Nevada granite, is there any here? I say yes with tongue in cheek, because City Hall and many other downtown buildings are made of it. But also, most of the sand in the sandstone and a few of the cobbles in the conglomerate originated in the Sierra. It's all here within and around our city boundaries.
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permalink #34 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Sat 10 Jun 23 14:39
permalink #34 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Sat 10 Jun 23 14:39
A bit of a trivia question. You say: Between 1840 and 1860, Americans felled every [redwood] tree but one. The last old-growth redwood on this side of the Bay, nicknamed "Old Survivor" and nearly five hundred years old, is in Leona Heights on a cliff in Horseshoe Canyon. (161) Is there a pointer for that sign, or is it best not to reveal exactly where it is?
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permalink #35 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 10 Jun 23 15:06
permalink #35 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 10 Jun 23 15:06
Frako, Ive looked for it unsuccessfully!
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permalink #36 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Sat 10 Jun 23 18:21
permalink #36 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Sat 10 Jun 23 18:21
Surely Andy can give us a hint or two. We wouldn't carve initials in it.
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permalink #37 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sat 10 Jun 23 19:33
permalink #37 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sat 10 Jun 23 19:33
The sign is at the entrance to Carl Munck Elementary School on Campus Drive: <https://oaklandgeology.com/2015/08/10/survivor-trees/> The tree is well protected simply by its precarious location. In the dry summer duff, climbing up to it is treacherous and climbing down to it is strenuous. Taggers and carvers are gonna leave it be. <https://localwiki.org/oakland/Old_Survivor_Redwood_Tree>
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permalink #38 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 10 Jun 23 19:57
permalink #38 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 10 Jun 23 19:57
I attempted to approach it from below, up the York Trail from Leona Heights Park (not to be confused with Leona Canyon Regional Park). Its what Ive called the loneliest trail in Oakland, and it just... stopped at one point, overgrown and with trees fallen across it. Andrew, you talk in the book about how pyrite and ocher helped shape the human geology of that area. I was startled to learn that fools gold is not actually worthless.
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permalink #39 of 124: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Sat 10 Jun 23 20:01
permalink #39 of 124: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Sat 10 Jun 23 20:01
I've been to some of of the super tall redwoods up north and from ground level they don't look any different from the rest.
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permalink #40 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 11 Jun 23 11:10
permalink #40 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 11 Jun 23 11:10
It all started with what everyone called the sulfur mine, up at the end of McDonnel Avenue. I checked it out early on when I began exploring oakland systematically. I saw the orange-stained creek bed downhill from a barren cleft in the hillside and recognized the sign of acid runoff. Pyrite was the basis of the sulfur industry back in the late 1800s. It would be roasted to oxidize it (FeS2 + oxygen --> Fe oxides and SO2), and the SO2 gas was easily processed into sulfuric acid, which is kind of a skeleton key for industrial chemistry. Today we get sulfur from other sources, but pyrite deposits are still of interest because of the other metals besides iron that lurk in sulfide minerals, notably copper, silver and gold. The pyrite mines in Leona Heights did yield some copper over their lifetimes, but the gold and silver values were too low to be worth the work of extracting them. Old-timers have told me that the collecting was good at the former mine sites, but I never tried myself. Oakland is the type locality for the mineral boothite, a hydrated copper sulfate with a lovely light sky-blue color. I wonder if some local people have pieces in their attics.
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permalink #41 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 11 Jun 23 16:50
permalink #41 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 11 Jun 23 16:50
My memoryis that the creek along the York Trail is a rusty color, but it's been a long time. (I also Did Not Know That pyrite and ocher were related.)
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permalink #42 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 11 Jun 23 18:00
permalink #42 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 11 Jun 23 18:00
There are patches of orange here and there in Horseshoe Creek that appear to be of natural origin. The hillside is still infested with pyrite, and the creek cuts deep into it and undoubtedly exposes fresh rock. I think those facts are related. Yeah, major sulfide deposits often have an "iron cap" or gossan, formed as the sulfur washes away and the iron oxides remain as an earthy crust. In Oakland the gossan was thick enough to support a whole Ohlone industry. They would dig the ocher, process it and trade it with tribes all over the Bay area for good stuff Oakland doesn't have: salt and cinnabar from the South Bay, obsidian from the North Bay, abalone beads from the Pacific coast, and so on. Ocher is a pigment, offering a range of colors from sienna to umber though bright brick red. In cultures without clothing (other than ceremonial garments), body paint is a basic essential. I like to say that Oakland has made every wave of its human inhabitants wealthy.
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permalink #43 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Sun 11 Jun 23 19:12
permalink #43 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Sun 11 Jun 23 19:12
OK, I won't try to reach the Survivor Redwood. I love how being ugly and useless saved it from being cut. I just watched a documentary called THE COLOUR OF INK, and it spends time talking about ochre. (I don't think it's available for watching anywhere but film festivals right now) Trailer: <https://www.nfb.ca/film/the-colour-of- ink/> Short video about ancient uses of ochre: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGpqBYB3vHc>
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permalink #44 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 11 Jun 23 19:18
permalink #44 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 11 Jun 23 19:18
(I did some student archaeology under Charlie Slaymaker at Olompali in Marin, and ocher is one of the things you look for!)
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permalink #45 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 11 Jun 23 19:24
permalink #45 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Sun 11 Jun 23 19:24
Those ancient cave paintings in Europe used it. Neanderthals used it. It's also good for sun protection and insect discouragement.
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permalink #46 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 12 Jun 23 08:30
permalink #46 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 12 Jun 23 08:30
A change of topic sparked by my receipt this morning of a communication from the USGS (hidden in the next post). Although virtually all of us in the city call our elevated portions the Oakland Hills, their official name as registered with the federal government is the Berkeley Hills the entire range, from San Pablo through Fremont, was named thus by some boffin at the University. Elsewhere on the Well, Andrew has offered gentle encouragement in my decade-long, frankly quixotic campaign to get the official name changed to match common usage. So OF COURSE I noticed that in DEEP OAKLAND, they are consistently called the Oakland Hills, capital H. Is there any sort of a geologic case that the range can be broken into segments, and all or part of it attributed to Oakland?
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permalink #47 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 12 Jun 23 08:30
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permalink #48 of 124: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 12 Jun 23 11:06
permalink #48 of 124: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Mon 12 Jun 23 11:06
The best argument for changing an "official" name is that it conflicts with common usage. Keep calling them the Oakland Hills, and I will, too!
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permalink #49 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 12 Jun 23 11:47
permalink #49 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 12 Jun 23 11:47
The direct answer to your specific question is that no, there is no *geologic* case for defining the *geographic* entity formally known (by those dastards at the U.S. Board on Geographic Names) as the "Berkeley Hills." The geographic case is that Oaklanders outnumber Berkeleyans. I used to sit across the hall from the late Rudy Kopf, maven of geologic names and also a member of the Board on Geographic Names. They aren't really dastards. Besides, they're busy right now erasing old names with derogatory terms and finding new names, a noble project.
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permalink #50 of 124: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Mon 12 Jun 23 14:10
permalink #50 of 124: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Mon 12 Jun 23 14:10
Trinity College has decided to rename their Berkeley Library because the bishop was a slaveholder. Maybe the BGN would accept that argument and rename the entire range. Let the Berkeley hill folks deal with living in the Oakland Hills for a while.
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