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permalink #51 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 12 Jun 23 14:18
permalink #51 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 12 Jun 23 14:18
Good idea! No more B******y Hills!
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permalink #52 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 12 Jun 23 15:50
permalink #52 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 12 Jun 23 15:50
Oh DANG Jef! Im off to prepare my new case! Chuck, part of my case was that, in fact, there are very very few maybe even no examples of people calling the highlands of Oakland the Berkeley Hills, neither on maps nor in news stories.
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permalink #53 of 124: Paulina Borsook (loris) Mon 12 Jun 23 16:51
permalink #53 of 124: Paulina Borsook (loris) Mon 12 Jun 23 16:51
'east bay hills' isnt in common parlance?
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permalink #54 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Mon 12 Jun 23 16:54
permalink #54 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Mon 12 Jun 23 16:54
Sorry, <mazz>, that you got that downer email. Maybe someday we can ban "Berkeley" from all our nomenclature.
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permalink #55 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 12 Jun 23 17:45
permalink #55 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 12 Jun 23 17:45
The city is fine, though, and the hills overlooking it, which are mostly in Oakland.
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permalink #56 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 13 Jun 23 08:49
permalink #56 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 13 Jun 23 08:49
That was ALSO part of my argument! OK, to turn from my hobby back to your book: I learned that, geologically speaking, I am living on a gravel fan. In fact, the gravel fan bisected by Sausal Creek and Dimond Canyon gives much of Oakland its physical shape. Can you explain how it got there and what that meant in terms of how the land got used?
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permalink #57 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Tue 13 Jun 23 12:48
permalink #57 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Tue 13 Jun 23 12:48
And once you discuss the above, could you please give your opinion of this paragraph from Mitchell Schwarzer's _Hella Town: Oakland's History of Development and Disruption_? ". . . Warren Hinckle penned an . . . appraisal in Ramparts, a onetime liberal, Catholic magazine that now, with Hinckle as editor, had become a voice of the New Left. 'Oakland was doomed by its own geography,' he lamented. 'Its flatlands provide a natural base for industrial expansion of hilly San Francisco, an expansion that assumed forest-fire proportions as the 20th century pressed on.' Piers, factories, warehouses, storage tanks, and worker cottages crowded those working districts. As time went on, however, those precincts were both losing their industrial edge and becoming a place of last resort for white residents. 'Race begins at sea level in Oakland, Hinckle continued. 'Some 90,000 Oakland Negroes, constituting almost one quarter of the city's total population, are jammed into restricted and blighted flatland areas on both the east and west sides of the city. As the height above sea level increases, the population becomes paler. The attractive, sylvan hill areas are reserved for expensive homes for whites.' His message: Oakland's geographic, race-based divisions were dragging it down." (200-201)
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permalink #58 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 13 Jun 23 19:56
permalink #58 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 13 Jun 23 19:56
I don't know enough to critique Hinkel's reasoning, but his facts were correct. The flats, especially near shore, were the only places where Black and other non-White residents could buy property. Foothill Boulevard, as its name suggests, runs along the base of the gravel fan that Mary refers to. I offer a scenario, a hypothesis, for the presence of that fan of low hills in chapter 6 of DEEP OAKLAND: the block of rocks that the city of Piedmont sits on was heaved upward about a thousand feet by interactions along the Hayward fault around a million years ago. The gravel hills surround the Piedmont block and represent the ancient gravel that remains deeply buried everywhere else in the East Bay. That is my theory. In human terms, those foothills above Foothill Boulevard were premium ground for desirable suburbs in the decades right after the San Francisco earthquake of 1906, when a huge wave of displaced people settled across the Bay. The big landowners pushed streetcar lines into them and created classic residential tracts around them, free of "Africans, Mongolians and Hindoos" and with strict covenants guaranteeing that residents would be surrounded with people just like themselves in houses comparable to their own. The newspaper ads were all about property values, views and fresh air, convenient transit and, in a word, privilege. It was that geological accident that created a wide swath of gentle hills, which in turn allowed the growing city to stratify itself by race and class.
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permalink #59 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 13 Jun 23 20:21
permalink #59 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 13 Jun 23 20:21
It's ironic that in my parents' home state, folks on the hilltop would wish they could afford some of that good bottom land, while out here, the aspiration was to be elevated enough to catch a healthy breeze.
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permalink #60 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 13 Jun 23 21:19
permalink #60 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Tue 13 Jun 23 21:19
At least that's what the real-estate men said. They also touted the good drainage, which probably meant septic tanks. And good breezes meant you didn't have to smell horseshit and garbage. But the soil was truly good everywhere. The East Bay was always excellent farmland, and the climate was always considered to be exceptionally healthful, although in the old days there was a racist overlay: tropical peoples were considered to be indolent and enervated by excessive warmth whereas northerly peoples were energized and invigorated by the bracing coolth. The land got into the blood.
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permalink #61 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Wed 14 Jun 23 07:16
permalink #61 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Wed 14 Jun 23 07:16
You can still find feral fruit trees in Dimond Canyon and Joaquin Miller Park; the oranges from my neighbor's tree are outstanding.
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permalink #62 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 14 Jun 23 11:31
permalink #62 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Wed 14 Jun 23 11:31
I love sampling the free foods as I walk around Oakland. Early spring I pick miner's lettuce; figs in the fall; blackberries in July, and nasturtium blossom almost year round.
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permalink #63 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Thu 15 Jun 23 07:22
permalink #63 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Thu 15 Jun 23 07:22
I guess it is also ironic that the now-upscale neighborhood north of Fruitvale Avenue, Trestle Glen, was considered "a rugged canyon of revolting appearance" in 1904. It almost became a park linking Lake Merritt to the hills, which would have dramatically changed the city.
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permalink #64 of 124: David Gans (tnf) Thu 15 Jun 23 07:37
permalink #64 of 124: David Gans (tnf) Thu 15 Jun 23 07:37
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permalink #65 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 15 Jun 23 10:12
permalink #65 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 15 Jun 23 10:12
Chapter 7 of DEEP OAKLAND goes deep into Indian Gulch, the valley containing the Trestle Glen neighborhood. It not only is Oakland's most nearly ideal stream valley, but also is a good case study in how the city has dealt with issues related to public parks and private development. I enjoyed poking through the newspaper record when I researched this chapter. The struggle over Trestle Glen lasted decades, and what could have been "a gem of a natural park" ended up as it began in prehistory: the best residential site in the area. I've learned to discount the rhetoric of Hearst-era journalism, when the papers wore the interests of their owners on their sleeves. But I found some juicy quotes like that one. I came to realize that "natural parks" aren't what the general run of citizens prefer. They want playgrounds and lawns and facilities, which is what became of Adams Point. Even the nature preserves of the high hills are equipped with attractions, with the exception of Sibley Volcanic Preserve. We only have as much natural park land from a historical accident, the switch from local water sources (formerly based on groundwater wells and surface reservoirs) to the Sierra thanks to East Bay MUD. The new agency acquired all the existing watershed land in the 1920s and spun off big chunks of it, no longer needed for water production, to a new parks agency.
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permalink #66 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Thu 15 Jun 23 10:52
permalink #66 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Thu 15 Jun 23 10:52
The Indian Gulch chapter really highlighted for me how differently our predecessors saw the environment. They were looking for resources to exploit; we tend to want to preserve the familiar, whether by keeping a landscape open or landmarking a building. There is still a hidden path that goes up part of the canyon behind the houses, but it would have been amazing to be able to walk through a natural landscape between the lake and Montclair Park. Even though we have a wealth of natural parks in Oakland, it's easy to get greedy for what might have been.
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permalink #67 of 124: Scott Underwood (esau) Thu 15 Jun 23 12:06
permalink #67 of 124: Scott Underwood (esau) Thu 15 Jun 23 12:06
I found that chapter enlightening as well, though I don't know the neighborhood well.
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permalink #68 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 15 Jun 23 13:24
permalink #68 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 15 Jun 23 13:24
The thing is, it wasn't a natural landscape any more -- whatever that means -- at the time. Photos of the old trestle across the glen, built to carry an electric streetcar line into the Crocker Highlands area to support home development, show the hills there covered with hay bales. This was still during the horse era, and huge acreages were needed to support horses.
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permalink #69 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Thu 15 Jun 23 14:13
permalink #69 of 124: Frako Loden (frako) Thu 15 Jun 23 14:13
As you can probably tell, after reading your book I moved on to _Hella Town_, whose thesis seems to be "X was envisioned, and X did not happen." It's a very dispiriting read, and now the As possibly moving to Las Vegas is just the latest example of Oakland's dreams expiring in a puff of smoke. Is there any way Oakland's geology can provide a better future for it?
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permalink #70 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 15 Jun 23 20:06
permalink #70 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 15 Jun 23 20:06
Well, the city can avoid making more trouble for itself. The Hayward fault will, over the next couple of major earthquakes, clear itself a nice greenbelt. The city could stop allowing homes to be built in the landslide- prone high hills, although I see no prospect of that. The city could open up the stream beds in the flats, although that would be a tedious and expensive undertaking. The city could work harder to encourage earthquake-resistant housing construction -- this is why I unreservedly favor new apartment towers everywhere in town. The city needs to foresee, and plan for, the destruction that the next major Hayward fault earthquake will cause. There will be large swaths of those classic century-old residential neighborhoods that will be wiped out by fires. Some ground near the shore will undergo liquefaction and should be abandoned. Geologists can be rather ruthless about these things. We also need to regain some of the Ohlones' sense of land management and stop letting trees grow willy-nilly and become firestorms in the making. I hope that DEEP OAKLAND will loosen people's minds and think more ambitiously about the possibilities we can envision for our city. Oakland was built into a great city by just such ambitious people.
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permalink #71 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 16 Jun 23 06:28
permalink #71 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 16 Jun 23 06:28
In contrast to the gravel fan, which shaped the city's lowlands, we have the Piedmont Block. There are political and social explanations for Piedmont, the independent small city entirely surrounded by Oakland, but it turns out that geology had an influence, too: That big lump of Franciscan Complex in the middle of the city collected water, and water helped make Piedmont what it is.
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permalink #72 of 124: With catlike tread (sumac) Fri 16 Jun 23 10:53
permalink #72 of 124: With catlike tread (sumac) Fri 16 Jun 23 10:53
I'm loving *Deep Oakland,* though I haven't had a chance to read very far yet. The excellent writing makes it a much easier read than I was expecting.
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permalink #73 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 16 Jun 23 10:54
permalink #73 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 16 Jun 23 10:54
Piedmont used to have a mineral-springs resort! The upper valley of Bushy Dell Creek, where Piedmont Park is today, had sulfur springs that were trendy in the 1870s. There's commemorative signage in the ravine today with a picture of Mark Twain visiting. Another of Piedmont's stream valleys, what's now called Moraga Canyon by the locals, used to be a family-friendly fantasy park full of water attractions and pavilions and groves and trails. Blair Park, created by Piedmont's founding citizen Walter Blair. It went downhill after he died and was eventually acquired by the rapacious Realty Syndicate, which put a rock quarry there that was callously named the Blair Quarry. The rock in Piedmont was its other geological source of wealth. The quarries, conveniently close to downtown and the harbor, supplied Oakland with much-needed material starting early on. After a few decades, though, they became undesirable parts of the upscale Piedmont we know today.
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permalink #74 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 16 Jun 23 11:01
permalink #74 of 124: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 16 Jun 23 11:01
Sumac slipped in while I was writing that. Thank you for the compliment. In a book of this kind, the writing is as important as the facts and ideas. I was careful to introduce geology exactly where it was needed, in just the amount needed. I saw an online review from a reader the other day that said they didn't learn much geology. I take that as a vote of confidence, far preferable to "there was too much." You don't need to digest a whole textbook to appreciate what Oakland offers.
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permalink #75 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 16 Jun 23 11:30
permalink #75 of 124: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 16 Jun 23 11:30
I would counter that there is actually a fair amount of geology in there! But yes, "I wanted yet still more geology" is probably where you want to fall if you're aiming at a general audience. Even knowing how much I enjoyed the book, I have been a little surprised by how much buzz it is getting locally! I want to let people know about some places they can hear and see you talk about the book, including this great interview with Liam O'Donoghue of East Bay Yesterday: https://eastbayyesterday.com/episodes/from-volcanoes-to-potholes/ And this interview with Alexis Madrigal of KQED's Forum program: https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101893356/the-history-of-oakland-told-through-i ts-geology You have also started hitting the bookstore circuit. Any upcoming dates?
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