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permalink #151 of 281: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Mon 8 Jan 24 16:36
permalink #151 of 281: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Mon 8 Jan 24 16:36
> I hope (which is not quite the same as optimism) that people, > especially younger people, show up to vote As some say: "Hope is not a plan" This year (and in the last couple) I have tried to do things to help get more young people, and non-fascist people in general, to show up to vote. One such effort involves https://votefwd.org with writing letters to "unlikely" voters in swing elections. The groups claims to achieve about a 1% improvement rate meaning that for 100,000 letters sent that 1,000 additional people voted. Cf. https://votefwd.org/impact
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permalink #152 of 281: John Coate (tex) Mon 8 Jan 24 19:20
permalink #152 of 281: John Coate (tex) Mon 8 Jan 24 19:20
Every bit helps. Meanwhile James Hansen says the planet will cross the 1.5C threshold this year and the head of next year's COP is an oil guy.
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permalink #153 of 281: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Mon 8 Jan 24 20:50
permalink #153 of 281: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Mon 8 Jan 24 20:50
"We are not moving into a 1.5C world, we are briefly passing through it in 2024. We will pass through the 2C (3.6F) world in the 2030s unless we take purposeful actions to affect the planet's energy balance." JH (not <jh>]
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permalink #154 of 281: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Mon 8 Jan 24 21:19
permalink #154 of 281: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Mon 8 Jan 24 21:19
I'm curious about the internal politics of Israel. Where do they go from here? I don't understand it very well, but the "unity" government seems to be showing some cracks? Is it going to fall apart? What then? The news I see is very focused on the destruction in Gaza so I'm not getting much of an understanding of it.
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permalink #155 of 281: Alan Fletcher (af) Mon 8 Jan 24 21:50
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permalink #156 of 281: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Mon 8 Jan 24 21:56
permalink #156 of 281: Alan Fletcher : Factual accounts are occluded by excess of interpretation (af) Mon 8 Jan 24 21:56
Scribbled for typos. The well's moving finger moves on (Politically incorrect ) Traditional : 1-to-1 (eye for an eye) WW2 reprisals: 10-to-1 (Albert Kesselring, Italy) Israel/Gaza (2003): 100-to-1 (children, doctors .. ) What is the next ratio in the sequence? Bueller? Anyone?
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permalink #157 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:08
permalink #157 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:08
*Sometime WELL State of the World participant Cory Doctorow has created the neologism of the year 2023. *Unfortunately, it's "enshittification," a term withlegs because it's so broadly applicable to practically everything going on. Congratulations, I guess.
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permalink #158 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:09
permalink #158 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:09
https://americandialect.org/2023-word-of-the-year-is-enshittification/ 2023 Word of the Year Is Enshittification January 5, 2024 Sheraton New York Times Square Hotel, New York, NYJan. 5The American Dialect Society, in its 34th annual words-of-the-year vote, selected enshittification as the Word of the Year for 2023. More than three hundred attendees took part in the deliberations and voting, in an event hosted in conjunction with the Linguistic Society of Americas annual meeting. The term enshittification became popular in 2023 after it was used in a blog post by author Cory Doctorow, who used it to describe how digital platforms can become worse and worse. Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die. I call this enshittification, Doctorow wrote on his Pluralistic blog. Presiding at the Jan. 6 voting session were Ben Zimmer, chair of the ADS New Words Committee and language columnist for the Wall Street Journal, and Dr. Kelly Elizabeth Wright of Virginia Tech, data czar of the New Words Committee. Enshittification is a sadly apt term for how our online lives have become gradually degraded, Zimmer said. From the time that it first appeared in Doctorows posts and articles, the word had all the markings of a successful neologism, being instantly memorable and adaptable to a variety of contexts....
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permalink #159 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:11
permalink #159 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:11
*Bing (or rather, "Captain Copilot"), what does "enshittification" mean, and what does it imply for the year 2024?
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permalink #160 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:12
permalink #160 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:12
***** Enshittification is a term coined by the writer Cory Doctorow to describe the phenomenon of online platforms gradually degrading the quality of their services, often by promoting advertisements and sponsored content, in order to increase profits. It implies that many platforms that we use today may become less useful, less enjoyable, and less trustworthy in the future, unless they respect the end-to-end principle and the interests of their users and suppliers . Some examples of alleged enshittification have included Amazon, Bandcamp, Facebook, Google Search, Quora, Reddit, and Twitter.
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permalink #161 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:18
permalink #161 of 281: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Mon 8 Jan 24 23:18
*Speaking of platforms that abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; and they abuse those business customers -- and then they DON'T die, even though Cory Doctorow would really like them to die -- you can leave Twitter and you can join Bluesky, if you like. Seriously. I've got a ton of Bluesky invites. Like, way more than I know what to do with. Bluesky isn't yet all that "enshittified," mostly because they've got no business model and they haven't figured out how to make any money. Also, it's full of creative-writers -- or, at least, those are the people I mostly follow on Bluesky.
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permalink #162 of 281: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 9 Jan 24 06:51
permalink #162 of 281: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 9 Jan 24 06:51
I largely stopped using Twitter in the summer of 2021. It wasn't the "hey, this information is bad" epiphany that Bruce describes above, but the "hey, all the time this is taking up, and what it's doing to my brain, are bad for me" epiphany. Also, the one about looking back from my deathbed and saying, "Yeah, that was a great tweet I wrote." Early on, I missed the good things - like #TCMParty, and #Blackbirders, and the witty, funny memes that moved with the speed of light, and the intoxicating flow of news updates, and the schadenfreude from observing the latest war of words and opinions among the NYC chatteratti. These losses were offset by my improved attention span, the deduction of daily screen time, no longer getting deludedly invested in the latest chatteratti war, or finding climate deniers in my mentions, or donating my life energy to the further enrichment of already-wealthy people and institutions. Subsequently, after the personal losses started accumulating, trying to participate in most social media felt disgusting. There was no more satisfaction from participating in certain conceptual versions of reality. After that, I began signing back into the WELL more often. Many of us have been here for decades and met IRL besides, and members own the WELL. Maybe I'll try out Bluesky again, on your recommendation, Bruce. I've tried out the Fediverse on and off for years, including during the mass Twitter exodus after EM bought it. But I am spoiled by twenty years of decent (if monotonous) user interfaces that don't take hours to figure out.
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permalink #163 of 281: Gary Gach (ggg) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:06
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permalink #164 of 281: Gary Gach (ggg) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:07
permalink #164 of 281: Gary Gach (ggg) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:07
<161> Many-to-many communications has been the secret sauce of the Internet since Day One. I tried TikTok to promote my new book; more sellers now than buyers there. Sure, drop me an evite to blue sky, please. Gary [dot] Gach [at] Gmail Thank you. <154> I'm like a frog at the bottom of a well, seeing only a few stars, not the whole night sky. I'd love to hear more on this, and related matters. Meanwhile, in the news this week, I suspect South Africa's case against Israel at ICJ may fizzle. Even if the verdict is not ethnic cleansing but genocide, because the UN was created (following the Shoah) to protect national sovereignty, Israel can defend itself for that reason: Hamas threatens their national sovereignty. Equating innocent Palestinians with Hamas may take some doing, but they might pull that off. Can any experts weigh in on <154> ?
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permalink #165 of 281: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:26
permalink #165 of 281: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:26
Speaking of Xitter and Bluesky, Helheene von Bismarck had an op-ed in yesterday's The Guardian about the former Twitter: "Twitter changed my life for good. But the platform I loved no longer exists" <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/jan/08/twitter-platform-friends -social-media-democracy-elon-musk> A couple of choice quotes: "What was a busy global public forum now resembles an aggressive wasteland filled with hate and rumour." "When everyone is more concerned with what they stand for, as opposed to with what they know, meaningful conversation becomes impossible. There is no more analysis, only judgment. Every heavy social-media user turns into a mini-embassy, and a binary worldview sets in, as can now be observed in the online reactions to the war between Israel and Hamas. This trend towards aggressive over-simplification and emotionalisation started long before Elon Musk took over Twitter, although things have become infinhaitely worse since then."
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permalink #166 of 281: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:26
permalink #166 of 281: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:26
We had relative stability of corporate social media platforms for a while, with Facebook and Twitter dominating. Both had significant network effects, switching costs were high, there wasn't meaningful competition. Enshittification was indeed happening, but not quite enough to drive people away. This is still the case with Facebook, but Twitter's another story. A story I probably don't have to tell here, because it's been so well covered: Elon Musk bought the platform and found ways to accelerate enshittification near the speed of light. People were leaving in droves - partly because alternatives had emerged. Bruce mentions Bluesky, a project that started within Twitter and is led by former Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey. The current platform is supposed to be part of a federated system, but other platforms for that network haven't appeared. Bluesky has been growing organically as invite codes are doled out to current members, who invite new members. There are a couple of other major contenders for Twitter expatriates, Mastodon and Threads. Mastodon is a truly decentralized federated system that runs over many servers, and has no corporate involvement - it's built with free, open-source software and runs on independent nodes and are networked - they can share data, so a post on one node can quickly appear on other nodes. As Twitter became X, many of its users bailed on the system and moved to Mastodon, which had been around for several years. It's part of a larger network, referred to as The Fediverse - where nodes of other apps and platforms are also federated and can share data. Threads is connected to Instagram, a project of Meta, i.e. Facebook. Its strength is in existing network effect - it already had a user base from Instagram and Facebook, and many of those users became quickly active when the system was available - a path of least resistance to a Twitter replacement.
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permalink #167 of 281: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:27
permalink #167 of 281: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:27
Bluesky and Threads are both likely to connect in some way to the Fediverse, and if they do, users of any of those platforms should be able to share with members of other platforms. I.e. we'd have interoperability, and the monopoly on users and data that evolved in the Facebook/Twitter era will fade away in favor of interoperable systems and shared data. This is the way it should've been in the first place, following the commitment to open standards and data sharing that was prominent in the early Internet, before greed and resulting enshittification. We can hope. Meanwhile Twitter is still leaking users and losing money; its chance of survival diminishes every day. And all those Twitter users have spread to multiple systems, some settling on Mastodon, some on Bluesky, some on Threads. I personally use all three of those systems, but I'm crazy. The Internet has been mainstreaming since the early 1990s, around three decades, which might seem like a long time - but its a drop in the bucket in the context of the history of media all the way back to the advent of movable type. Expect evolution. The day may come when we think of Twitter and Facebook the way we currently think of Friendster and Myspace - platforms we used for a while until something that made more sense came along.
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permalink #168 of 281: Correction (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:28
permalink #168 of 281: Correction (jonl) Tue 9 Jan 24 07:28
(Sp. in <165> - that author is Helene von Bismarck, not Helheene... though I think Helheene would be a cool name...)
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permalink #169 of 281: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 9 Jan 24 08:58
permalink #169 of 281: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 9 Jan 24 08:58
Instead of seeking alternatives to the corporate social media platforms (being an American, I'm thinking in particular of our cadre of American white male eternal teenager smug Ayn-Rand-was-right techbro overlords and the venture capitalists who keep chasing after them), maybe we'd be better off cultivating alternatives to corporate social media, period. (This feels like a very retro position - remember when we were trying to prevent the Internet from becoming a series of walled gardens? But still.) Way up near the start of SOTW '24, JD Work posted: "I will note that in any of the serious crisis contingencies that I have been involved in overseas, where everything is coming apart at once, those that made it through all shared common characteristic. Whether in the Middle East, Asia, Africa, or Eastern Europe. It was those folks who could rely on their communities, and the networks of relationships they had built and nurtured over time, that endured. Even in the worst times." I took this to mean local communities, face to face physical world networks, and the online or digital networks these communities form to work together or otherwise share info, like Mastodon instants, Discord servers, sui generis platforms like The WELL, members-only mailing lists.
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permalink #170 of 281: The Enshittifier (doctorow) Tue 9 Jan 24 10:03
permalink #170 of 281: The Enshittifier (doctorow) Tue 9 Jan 24 10:03
It's been interesting to watch this coinage take off. It's one of (very) many I've made up over the years, which is an occupational blogger hazard. Write 50,000 essays on a near daily basis over 25 years and you'll come up with some coinages. Some people have been very offended on my behalf that the coinage - which has a specific meaning, identifying a kind of decay that is the result of a combination of a 40-year experiment in antitrust drawdown, the flexibility of digital tools, widespread regulatory capture, and weak labor rights in the tech industry and among precarious gig workers - is used loosely, to describe "things getting worse." I am not offended by this. This is part of how coinages work! "Cyberspace" isn't just "the place where video game players try to put their bodies when then thrust their chests towards arcade machines" nor is "the place where a telephone conversation takes place." "Cyberspace" is a successful coinage *because* it has been co-opted by its users to mean many things. The best thing about being an English speaker is that we don't have a fucking language academy to proscribe our usage. Our dictionaries are descriptive, not proscriptive. Language drift is robustness. The approach to language that demands strict proscription is a very FedSoc/Constitutional Originalist move. It's a move that ends with musketfuckers insisting on their right to carry loaded AR15s in to the Starbucks. Just as interesting are the people who are offended *at* me because other people used the term "enshittification" before I did. I'm totally unsurprised to learn that I'm not the first person to coin this term! That's a very common phenomenon. Whatever value I brought to the language with my coinage isn't eroded by the fact that other people used the term before me - no more than Leibniz's independent invention of the calculus cheapens Newton's independent feat. When it's enshittification time, you get enshittification.
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permalink #171 of 281: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 9 Jan 24 10:32
permalink #171 of 281: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 9 Jan 24 10:32
I'd say "prescriptive", not "proscriptive". A self-referential nitpick.
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permalink #172 of 281: from ISAAC MORRISON (tnf) Tue 9 Jan 24 14:13
permalink #172 of 281: from ISAAC MORRISON (tnf) Tue 9 Jan 24 14:13
Isaac Morrison writes: To Gary's request in #164 for an "expert" to weigh in on #154, The key to understanding the state of Israeli politics right now is to understand that although Netanyau is extremely unpopular with most of the Israeli citizenry, the Israeli government's actions with regards to Gaza and the Lebanese border are *not* unpopular among the general Israeli population. The general sentiment (even among much of the Israeli "left") is that the destruction is tragic, but the blame lies with Hamas for forcing Israel's hand. People definitely want Bibi out, but for the most part, it's not because of how their government is handling Gaza. There will certainly be a new more- centrist coalition once Bibi is voted out, but that probably won't happen for many more months at the earliest. And the only reason that a new more- centrist coalition might take a different tack on Gaza is because by that time, there won't be that much left to destroy. It is certainly possible that the US and others will have more leverage once Bibi is gone, but maybe not. Israel has a very mutable parliamentary alignment system that will be heavily influenced by the state of conflict with Hezbollah, not to mention a likely increase in border insecurity on both the Jordanian and Egyptian side. Israel will be on a war footing for the indefinite future, and the more precarious their situation, the more resolute they are likely to be against outside political pressure from the US, the EU, or the UN. Now, more than any time in recent decades, they are viewing this as an intensely existential conflict. My "expert" credentials are derived from both personal experience (lots time spent with immediate family there) and professional experience in Israel and the wider region as a social scientist contractor working for USAID and the US State Dept. I will also say that, based on my recent conversations, most Israelis are disturbingly oblivious to the true scale of the horrors they are inflicting in Gaza. This will come as no surprise to anyone with even a passing familiarity with the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s.
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permalink #173 of 281: Johannes Ernst (jernst) Tue 9 Jan 24 15:00
permalink #173 of 281: Johannes Ernst (jernst) Tue 9 Jan 24 15:00
Re #167: Threads is slowly connecting to the Fediverse. For example, you can follow @mosseri@threads.net (the head of Instagram/Threads) from Mastodon already. They continue to implement new federation features and my understanding is they want to be complete before the end of the year. Bluesky is fundamentally a project based on their own protocol. So far, they have not made any announcements, and certainly not code, that they will ever connect to the ActivityPub-based Fediverse. (We can sympathize with their strategic conundrum there.) However, we can probably expect that somebody will build a protocol bridge as soon as Bluesky starts federating at all, using their own protocol. More intriguing: whatever the exact logic may be why Meta connects Threads to the Fediverse, won't the exact same logic apply to Instagram and Facebook? Personally I don't see much of a reason why it should not...
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permalink #174 of 281: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 9 Jan 24 17:11
permalink #174 of 281: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 9 Jan 24 17:11
Thanks <tnf> for <172>. I was thinking BlueSky wasn't very active, but maybe it's because I hadn't found many people to follow yet and hadn't looked very hard. The search engine there isn't very good, but searching on some familiar names from here helps. I assume they will improve. Maybe it's just who I'm exposed to, but it seems like there's a lot of pessimism going around lately. I think one way to get yourself depressed is to focus too much on endings. On Hacker News, every Google announcement has people talking about how it will someday be cancelled. So what if they do? Can't we use services while they last? If you're enjoying yourself, might as well stay until they kick you out. We can enjoy the party while it lasts, and find something better later. The popularity of the "enshittification" meme seems like a symptom. Some online people will take any excuse to be anxious pessimists, so if things aren't bad now, well, just wait, they'll get worse. If things aren't so bad here, well, let me tell you about the suffering in some other part of the world. (The people who are really far gone will get themselves worked up over *hypothetical* suffering.) From how people are going on, you'd think Trump was still president, or we were still in a pandemic, or the outcome of the next election was fixed. Having a dark imagination can be useful for disaster planning. Every year, it's possible there might be another pandemic. Someone should plan for that, and we should support them. But it hasn't happened yet, and unproductive doom-mongering seems really bad for everyone's mental health. The future remains highly unpredictable. Our vision of the future is a mental construct. There are other scenarios, don't fixate on one. I wouldn't buy property in Florida, but I see no reason not to enjoy a visit.
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permalink #175 of 281: William F. Stockton (yesway) Tue 9 Jan 24 18:58
permalink #175 of 281: William F. Stockton (yesway) Tue 9 Jan 24 18:58
OTOH, just because youre paranoid, doesnt mean theyre not out to get you.
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