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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #76 of 280: Alan Fletcher (af) Thu 1 Feb 24 20:25
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permalink #77 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Thu 1 Feb 24 20:45
permalink #77 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Thu 1 Feb 24 20:45
>headlines online are written quickly and change throughout the day.The problem has a lot to do with having too few people to carefully do that work, in an environment in which many readers are hypersensitive to nuance in heds. John, my experience in reading, and also in seeing stories shared by others in social media, is that often the hed is the WHOLE STORY for a huge audience, and these evanescent headlines become permanent by being quoted and shared.
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permalink #78 of 280: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Thu 1 Feb 24 20:53
permalink #78 of 280: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Thu 1 Feb 24 20:53
It's especially true with paywalls - the headline and *maybe* the lede are all the non-subscriber gets.
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permalink #79 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 1 Feb 24 23:02
permalink #79 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 1 Feb 24 23:02
I have subscribed to the New York Times for most of my adult life. Watching newspapers in crisis, and watching the Times save itself by figuring out how to go digital, has been interesting. Sometimes I think they go too far, as when they dangle a recipe in front of me and then refuse to show it to me unless I pony up more bucks. I stopped subscribing a few years ago and told them it was to protest the way they were becoming more like People Magazine than the paper of record. But I couldn't stand it for more than a couple of weeks, and began sending them my little bit of money again. I agree that the news sometimes feels biased, and I mostly don't read the opinion page because it feels like a mine field. I want my newspaper to help me understand what's going on, and too often the Times seems to be pushing an agenda. But it's still the first thing I read every day When I want straight news, I go to the Washington Post, which I also subscribe to, and Vox is helpful in my struggle to understand what the hell is going on. I guess I will always subscribe to The New Yorker, but I find less and less to read there these days. My other subscription is to The Guardian for a kind of razzmatazz review at the end of the day plus I love their Datelab.
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permalink #80 of 280: Robin Thomas (robin) Thu 1 Feb 24 23:23
permalink #80 of 280: Robin Thomas (robin) Thu 1 Feb 24 23:23
I subscribe to the NYTimes, The Washington Post, The Guardian, my former hometown newspaper (Columbus Dispatch), the East Bay paper (which is terrible), the New Orleans papers, The New Yorker I wish smaller local papers could band together and create a subscriber syndicate. I wont subscribe to read a one-off article.
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permalink #81 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 2 Feb 24 06:45
permalink #81 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 2 Feb 24 06:45
This column from Margaret Sullivan about the demise of The Messenger is worth reading.. "I see three takeaways. First, facile ideas that sound too good to be true especially in this gloomy media environment probably are simply bad. Even some of the highest quality news organizations are struggling to survive; many are finding it impossible. Theres no such thing as a quick fix. Second, the notion of centrism often a thinly disguised conservative slant as a surefire way to attract a mass audience and vast revenue is a well-worn joke. Let us recall Chris Lichts failed experiment at CNN to do something like that, which featured an apology tour of Republican election denialists. Another flameout. And finally, I can understand why some job seekers grasped at the Messengers straws. Its tough out there. But if youre an employed journalist recruited by a rich guy with lofty notions about saving the industry, you should run. Fast. Do it before he does." https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/feb/02/the-messenger-startup-co llapse-journalism-takeaways
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permalink #82 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 2 Feb 24 06:49
permalink #82 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 2 Feb 24 06:49
Regarding bias, I do think that NPR tends to run a little scared. It started back when Gingrich was House Speaker and specifically targeted them to be de-funded. (Even though the government via CPB doesn't actually fund NPR except for certain grants for specific projects.)
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #83 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 2 Feb 24 08:48
permalink #83 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 2 Feb 24 08:48
> I wish smaller local papers could band together and create a subscriber > syndicate. I won?t subscribe to read a one-off article. Some sort of micropayments thing would be good, too.
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permalink #84 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Fri 2 Feb 24 08:49
permalink #84 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Fri 2 Feb 24 08:49
I'm not seeing anyone here address the question of what kind of business model could reasonably (or just plausibly) support quality journalism. That scares me. There are several people here who have worked for decades inside businesses that are based on journalism, and none of them seem to have ideas about how to actually fund good journalism now and in the near future.
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permalink #85 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Fri 2 Feb 24 09:09
permalink #85 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Fri 2 Feb 24 09:09
Isn't the Times, love it or hate it, answering that question with its digital subscription set up?
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permalink #86 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 2 Feb 24 09:15
permalink #86 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 2 Feb 24 09:15
I've supported the nonprofit Texas Tribune for years, and it seemed to do very well for a long while. However the Tribune had a tough year in 2023. In August, there were layoffs and other cost cutting measures. Here's the CEO's note from back then: <https://www.texastribune.org/2023/08/24/a-tough-day-at-the-tribune/> Last month Tribune staff announced that they were unionizing: <https://www.poynter.org/business-work/2024/texas-tribune-nonprofit-news-union/ > It appears from where I sit that nonprofit new orgs were taking some of the same hits as the entire industry, but my impression is that they're holding together.
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permalink #87 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 2 Feb 24 09:40
permalink #87 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 2 Feb 24 09:40
I subscribe to the Times, the WaPo, the Guardian, the New Yorker, and the Atlantic. I also depend on the aggregator "Current Status" which creates a "home page" collecting daily stories that are reputable, have "news value" and are highly cited. (and then my Canadian sources) Like many here, I don't and can't depend on one news organization to give me what I seek in news. I think that probably is a factor militating against financial stability.
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permalink #88 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 2 Feb 24 10:59
permalink #88 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 2 Feb 24 10:59
One thing the Chronicle does that could suggest other revenue paths is how they sell obituaries and memorials from readers. At 3-400 to start, going up to double that amount, it isn't huge revenue but it adds up. It shows some creative thinking. I know I look through the names every day because, being native to this area, I occasionally spot someone I know. It's a useful service. I think the point is that it is a territory the public associates with newspapers and news orgs. Maybe there are others.
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permalink #89 of 280: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 2 Feb 24 11:10
permalink #89 of 280: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 2 Feb 24 11:10
There's also legal notices, if the regulations can be eased.
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permalink #90 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 2 Feb 24 11:40
permalink #90 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 2 Feb 24 11:40
I read the Chronicle (on paper) every day, too.
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permalink #91 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Fri 2 Feb 24 14:07
permalink #91 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Fri 2 Feb 24 14:07
I don't know how to answer Matisse's question, and I'm not sure anyone truly knows. The Times is doing well (knock wood, spit three times) in part because of spinoffs like the food/recipe app and all those puzzles. But it's not a model a lot of organizations can really follow. The nonprofit newsrooms are a good alternative but perhaps too reliant on philanthropy, which is fickle. Ditto billionaire rescuers, who apparently can't stand to own anything that's not profitable, even when they could afford the losses for the next three decades and not even have to sell off a single private jet. If I could answer this question I would be a rich lady.
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permalink #92 of 280: Lisa Greim (lisa) Fri 2 Feb 24 14:59
permalink #92 of 280: Lisa Greim (lisa) Fri 2 Feb 24 14:59
The Colorado Sun is a good example of solid journalism being done by a nonprofit. They do excellent work but the financial future is still scary.
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permalink #93 of 280: Alan Fletcher (af) Fri 2 Feb 24 15:08
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permalink #94 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Fri 2 Feb 24 18:51
permalink #94 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Fri 2 Feb 24 18:51
Cool, what about? I have probably interviewed half the WELL for one column or another.
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permalink #95 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Fri 2 Feb 24 19:46
permalink #95 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Fri 2 Feb 24 19:46
I've gotten plenty of stories from the Well. I don't think there's a grand business model, but a good one is a variant on Obama's "Don't do stupid shit." Hedge funds, big debt, inflated salaries, fickle billionaires don't seen to be the answer, and bring on a rapid decline. But the industry itself is in decline. The Texa Tribune appears to be climbing back from that bad year. I love what's happening at The 19th and other nonprofits. Recommendation: Adam Nagourne's new book, The Times. Covers he digital transition, among other things, and it's really well done.
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permalink #98 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sat 3 Feb 24 07:19
permalink #98 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sat 3 Feb 24 07:19
This survey by the Reuters Institute points out a big problem..maybe the problem going forward. Younger people increasingly use TikTok as their primary news source and they tend to not want to see too much disturbing news. And many of them prefer to hear from "influencers" rather than real journalists, who they may or may not trust. Given the scale of humanity's and the earth's problems, I can understand why. What to do about it...not so sure. This quote from the Lead Report Author really stood out, "It is clear that many websites and apps are optimised for those that are super-engaged with every twist and turn of today's news (and politics) agenda. "But these approaches also seem to be turning large sections of the public away - with potential long-term implications for civic and democratic engagement." https://news.sky.com/story/more-young-people-are-using-tiktok-to-access-news-r esearch-finds-12902070
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permalink #99 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sat 3 Feb 24 07:26
permalink #99 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sat 3 Feb 24 07:26
I mentioned the SF Gate headlines awhile back. A big motivation for it was to entice younger people to read the news by making it kind of fun, or at least clever. In the 90s readership among people under 40 was slipping a lot. That was mostly Gen X back then. I think their motivations for avoiding the news was perhaps different from today when young people know the climate is cooking us all, wars go on and on, the wealth gets more concentrated and the fascists are on the rise. They know the status quo is not working, and who is really going to fix it? Maybe because I came age as someone quite "anti establishment" I can grasp to a point how they feel, although I was never that fatalistic. Today, I would be.
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permalink #100 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sat 3 Feb 24 07:57
permalink #100 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sat 3 Feb 24 07:57
To pick up on the business model discussion, I agree that leaving aside the big machers like the NYT, the Washington Post and a few other print news outlets, the answer to how to keep a publication going is not yet solved. It is a long journey for a local or regional publication to get from we need multiple revenue sources to sustaining multiple revenue sources. It may be like climate change: No one solution will apply to every situation. There need to be a thousand different solutions for 10,000 different situations.
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