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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #101 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 3 Feb 24 08:24
permalink #101 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sat 3 Feb 24 08:24
The fact that young people are getting the news from Tik Tok and they want it to be about celebrities and fashion is less disturbing than it sounds. 50 years ago, young people were getting their news from the funny pages, Seventeen and Tiger Beat. Young people, as a mass audience, are not that interested in turn-of-the-screw coverage of Congress and city government. That doesnt mean they will NEVER be interested in serious stuff. Im also not that troubled by layoffs at the Texas Tribune: We are coming off a pandemic and many many many nonprofits in many many many sectors have had difficulty maintaining donor support. Simply being a nonprofit doesnt guarantee financial stability in tough times. I think news, like entertainment, will be a fractured market in the future. Probably only a handful of national organizations will cover Congress and international developments. Some organizations will be successful in one specific area and may be for profit, like Ars Technica, or nonprofit, like the Marshall Project, depending on how ad-friendly their content is. Some news sites will be extremely local and by necessity nonprofit, like Berkeleyside or the Hyde Park Herald, which my 20-something kid donates to and reads regularly. What we see happening to TV channels, in terms of the breakup of large providers, the specialization, the bundling AND THE INCREASE IN PRICE TO CONSUMERS: Thats also happening in news.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #102 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 3 Feb 24 10:33
permalink #102 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 3 Feb 24 10:33
something i have long sighed over is the proliferation of newsy websites; not only can i not keep up with reading all of them, i cannot be acquainted with them all. frinstance, just came across '404 media' --- which evidently does/has done a lot of meaningful reporting. had never heard of it before. i would say 1/3 of my media diet consists of links posted by connections I have on LI and FB, the friend-of-a-friend phenom. Also, nonprofits and arts orgs and govt agencies i have Liked (tm) or whatever end up in my feed, often with news that would no longer make it into newspapers. Weirdly Nextdoor -used- to be a similar source --- that no longer seems to happen.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #103 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 3 Feb 24 11:42
permalink #103 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 3 Feb 24 11:42
By the way, as we have been chatting, the Wall Street Journal laid off 20 reporters in its Washington bureau. In a presidential election year. Plus The Messenger blew up, but that was forseeable. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/31/business/media/messenger-closing- down.html The biggest loss, in terms of information and democracy and like values, is the deaths of hundreds of local papers, leaving news deserts in many counties. No one reporting on the school board, the cops, the zoning board. To be fair, not all small papers were fearless truthtellers or could undertake investigations, but SOME one was watching the powerholders. It would not take tens of millions to keep such publications going digitally, but there's also no ad base. Their readers are not wealthy, by and large. And events -- increasingly part of the revenue stream for magazines and big national publications -- are not going to bring in much in semir rural or suburban communities. Here's where Report for America has concentrated its efforts. A novel approach: the Daily Iowan, a known and respected campus daily, just acquired a couple of nearby weeklies, allowing them to keep publishing while also giving students reporting opportunities. This Nieman report points out that there have been other town/gown journalistic efforts. Again, not a model that works all over but one that can help here and there. https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/01/a-student-newspaper-in-iowa-just-bought- two-local-weeklies/
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #104 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Sat 3 Feb 24 15:08
permalink #104 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Sat 3 Feb 24 15:08
We need a viable alternative to ad-driven media. We've needed it for a long time, content-wise, and now we need it, survival-wise. I
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #105 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sat 3 Feb 24 17:31
permalink #105 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sat 3 Feb 24 17:31
And might I suggest that one idea tht gets tossed around a lot, government funding, gives me the willies?.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #106 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 3 Feb 24 17:34
permalink #106 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 3 Feb 24 17:34
for sure. i suppose this has worked with broacast networks such as the bbc and the cbc --- but not applicable here.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #107 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 3 Feb 24 18:20
permalink #107 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Sat 3 Feb 24 18:20
in Britain and Canada it's always fraught. Not from a government-control-of-content standpoint but from a starve-the-service-into-submission standpoint.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #108 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sat 3 Feb 24 19:17
permalink #108 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sat 3 Feb 24 19:17
As a former GM of an FM station that had to depend on CPB grants, I imagine, if such a thing ever got onto the table, it would take a huge amount of compliance for what would only ever be part of the funding. I can't picture newspapers wanting to go that route. If it existed.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #109 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 4 Feb 24 08:30
permalink #109 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 4 Feb 24 08:30
Speaking of nonprofits, applause to Pro Publica.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #110 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 4 Feb 24 08:35
permalink #110 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 4 Feb 24 08:35
For many decades newspapers and broadcast journalism in the USA were paid for by their parent companies using the platforms to sell advertising - the newspapers simply ran ads in the paper, and broadcast had ads within the news shows but also subsidized the news with money from ads sold against entertainment programming. As far as I can tell journalism for the most part did not in itself garner sufficient income to pay for the cost of doing good journalism on its own merits from the public. The subsidies from advertising placed in non-news positions have mostly dried up (Fox would be an exception: by turning all of their news into entertainment they continue to sell a lot of ads within their "news"), and there is now very widespread distrust of news media, and many alternatives for sources of information (of hugely varying quality.) I myself find news pieces to read from many sources, often by starting at an aggregator called Ground News which is a free/paid service (I subscribe) that shows multiple ratings for each news source, for example this story: https://ground.news/article/claims-that-jan-6-rioters-are-political-prisoners- endure-judges-want-to-set-the-record-straight_a614ee shows 18 sources right now with varying rating on left/center/right bias, factuality, and ownership. I do notice that a disproportionate number of news outlets use the AP service for a lot of their content.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #111 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 4 Feb 24 08:36
permalink #111 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 4 Feb 24 08:36
Slippage: yes applause for Pro Publica https://www.propublica.org
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #112 of 280: Axon (axon) Sun 4 Feb 24 09:35
permalink #112 of 280: Axon (axon) Sun 4 Feb 24 09:35
>(Fox would be an exception: by turning all of their news into entertainment they continue to sell a lot of ads within their "news") FOX earns more from carriage fees than from ad revenues. They could post a 35% operating profit even if they sold no advertising at all. I think this may offer a clue about revenue strategy. It helps to explain why Facebook deplatformed Canadian news content rather than pay the sources for their content. Taking the long view going forward, it may develop that news content creation and content delivery become separate, if interdependent, enterprises.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #113 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 09:37
permalink #113 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 09:37
I agree, Paula - the falloff of state house, city council, local developers and local education-type coverage is one of the worst impacts of losing local newspapers. That's the first I've heard of the Daily Iowan's move, Paula - what a great development. Student papers all over are trying to fill news holes as local newspapers vanish. This strikes me as a hopeful trend in a lot of ways, since student newspapers are funded by their schools. That's also fraught funding source sometimes, but in a very different way from trying to keep a news business in the black. Here are a few recent stories about it: https://www.poynter.org/educators-students/2023/how-student-reporters-are-fill ing-the-void-to-help-save-local-news-news-deserts/ https://www.ourtownsfoundation.org/a-student-newspaper-takes-on-community-resp onsibilities/ https://apnews.com/article/college-journalism-students-investigations-e3239c97 4fee6455f36d5a0564049f54 https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/21/learning/lesson-of-the-day-when-the-student -newspaper-is-the-only-daily-paper-in-town.html?unlocked_article_code=1.S00.UQ Sw.zBVxL9f2eAr5&bgrp=g&smid=url-share
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #114 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sun 4 Feb 24 09:43
permalink #114 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sun 4 Feb 24 09:43
back in the day, the cantankerous chair of the UT Board of Regents, Frank Erwin, wanted the Daily Texan to get in line. "We do not fund what we don't control," he said. The paper ran a blank front page the next day with just that quote on it. Astonishingly, Erwin backed off a bit. The Texan is still here, and Frank is dead.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #115 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:00
permalink #115 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:00
That's a great story, John!
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #116 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:02
permalink #116 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:02
John and Paula: Would you please point us toward your students' reporting? I'd love your recommendation on what stands out among their work.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #117 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:05
permalink #117 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:05
Here's a link to the WELL's own T. Lee Brown's columns for The Nugget Newspaper in Central Oregon, also: https://www.nuggetnews.com/author/t._lee_brown
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #118 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:14
permalink #118 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:14
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #119 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:35
permalink #119 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:35
I think I'm the only one to mention Vox which afaik is a non-profit. I find it very useful. Started by Ezra Klein before he became a NYT superstar. Do none of you check it?
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #120 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:48
permalink #120 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 4 Feb 24 10:48
I do. Yes it's quite good. One thing the Chronicle used to do was charge movie theaters to list their movies in the paper. And it wasn't cheap either. The theaters hated having to do it, but it was a well-produced guide and they didn't have much of a choice. But when the 'Net came along they all felt liberated from having to pay. One more important revenue stream that helped pay for the newsroom went away.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #121 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 4 Feb 24 11:14
permalink #121 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Sun 4 Feb 24 11:14
<114> Case law is pretty clear that presidents of public universities do not get to dictate the content of student newspapers, but who knows how the First Amendment is applied by Texas courts these days. I got a schooling in this after my students wrote an endorsement for the college board of trustees election that did not favor the incumbent. Outcome: Tough noogies, its their constitutional right to do so.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #122 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sun 4 Feb 24 12:47
permalink #122 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sun 4 Feb 24 12:47
My reporting class publishes a hyperlocal site covering Harlem and Washington Heights. The last time I taught this particular class was fall, 2022, so The Uptowner will feel out of date. (It appears in September and by November, when the class ends, it goes dormant for a year like Brigadoon.) It's been an online publication since 2009. http://theuptowner.org/ Usually, though, I am encouraging students in my writing classes to pitch to real world publications. Those who choose can also publish through Columbia News Services, which I imagine very few people who aren't friends and relatives of the authors see, but it's still better than keeping your stories on your hard drive. https://columbianewsservice.com/
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #123 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Sun 4 Feb 24 13:39
permalink #123 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Sun 4 Feb 24 13:39
I haven't attended post-Covid, but I heartily recommend the International Symposium on Online Journalism held yearly in Austin, organized by Rosental Alves of the UT School of Journalism and Media: <https://isoj.org/> It's a pretty great conference and a great way to gain knowledge of the broader state of journalism. CEO of The New York Times Company and editor-in-chief of Teen Vogue are the keynote speakers this year.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #124 of 280: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Sun 4 Feb 24 13:50
permalink #124 of 280: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Sun 4 Feb 24 13:50
> the Chronicle used to do was charge movie theaters to list some local weeklies i know still do something similar. commercial entities that are paying advertisers get to list their shows and such in the entertainment calendar, which does not feature non-advertisers. The Nugget also has an announcements page and a meetings listing area. these are free for nonprofits and churches to list their stuff, and AA to list meetings, etc. a new advertiser might also rate a "new business article," though i am not certain how that works. but basically, if you don't advertise in the paper, you can't expect it to send out a reporter to cover the new expansion of your restaurant. the paper might not even run your press release on the subject. it's not like a wall of objectivity between editorial and revenue. and without it, these small papers would likely go under.
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permalink #125 of 280: Axon (axon) Sun 4 Feb 24 13:59
permalink #125 of 280: Axon (axon) Sun 4 Feb 24 13:59
>without it, these small papers would likely go under And large ones, as we have seen, as well.
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