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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #126 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sun 4 Feb 24 14:34
permalink #126 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sun 4 Feb 24 14:34
Honesty compels us to acknowledge that an overly cozy relationship with advertisers, when there used to be more of them, was hardly unknown at papers, small and not-so-small, and local television. It was a perennial topic in ethics discussions: Would the paper run something unflattering about the local department store (when there used to be department stores) or some other key business that bought a lot of column inches or 30-second spots? Often, probably not. And that's not anything to wax nostalgic about. But it enabled the town to have a reporter at the board of ed meeting, to look squarely at the candidates for city council or the zoning board, to look at where the donations for X cause went. Maybe that was a reasonable tradeoff. Now, charging for a lot of what used to be free -- obits, marriage and birth announcements, listings of various sorts -- cannot bridge the gap and pay salaries. Events bring in money for the WSJ and even The Nation, but the Littletown Daily is not going to sell wine or cruises or conferences effectively. I think a lot of the surviving enterprises are likely to rely on local or regional philanthropy, will be online only, will publish less often. It seems the way things shake out.
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permalink #127 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 4 Feb 24 14:47
permalink #127 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 4 Feb 24 14:47
Phil Bronstein, when he was running the SF Examiner, once told me that if there was a scandal at Macy's (as a stand-in for the big advertisers) they would report it, but they wouldn't go digging for it.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #128 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sun 4 Feb 24 16:31
permalink #128 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sun 4 Feb 24 16:31
I remember when Robert O'Harrow wrote a big story in the 90s on Giant supermarkets collecting pharmaceutical data on customers, an editor greeted him the next day with a "way to piss off our biggest advertiser!" But Bobby kept writing those stories. There's no single website for my students' work, but you can see a lot of great stories by UT journalism students at Reporting Texas <https://www.reportingtexas.com/> and at The Daily Texan <https://thedailytexan.com/>
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #129 of 280: david gault (dgault) Sun 4 Feb 24 16:49
permalink #129 of 280: david gault (dgault) Sun 4 Feb 24 16:49
Sorry to bust in and break this ongoing thread, but I wonder whether the news veterans here have an opinion about the WSJ opinion piece on Feb 2 calling Dearborn MI "America's Jihad Capital." It seems like a break from the usual for what is (in my opinion) a respected publication. Did Ford pull their ads? Just kidding. I understand that "nobody reads the Journal for its non-financial news", let alone their non-financial opinions, but it struck me as a big change. It's the number one opinion piece according to their web site, so it's generating clicks.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #130 of 280: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 5 Feb 24 06:00
permalink #130 of 280: Peter Richardson (richardsonpete) Mon 5 Feb 24 06:00
Slippage, but public funding for political journalism doesn't give me the willies at all. We do it now, just not at scale. And much of the journalism we underwrite that way is for foreign consumption only. Last time I checked, we spent more tax dollars on Voice of America and similar outfits than on the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. We have to get away from the idea that political journalism is just another product. It's a public good, like defense or infrastructure, and we should fund it that way. That's how they do it in the U.K., Canada, Germany, etc. And that's how we did it in the U.S. before the ad-based model took off. How bad does it have to get before we realize that's our best option?
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permalink #131 of 280: Idea Hamster On Speed (randomize27) Mon 5 Feb 24 08:20
permalink #131 of 280: Idea Hamster On Speed (randomize27) Mon 5 Feb 24 08:20
I'm of mixed opinion Both sides have the same problem: Pandering to those who write the checks. Government journalism, though, the sponsor wouldn't be too capricious in yanking their funding, though criticizing the government might become forbidden over time. And there are a lot of stories that you KNOW would have been quashed if the government was paying the checks. However, commercial journalism, the sponsors may be more controlling and demanding as well, as well as quick to yank ad campaigns if they didn't like what was being said. However, this also means we have multiple sources for news as well. If news show A won't report on something because of a sponsor, news show B, who doesn't have that sponsor, will. The big problem is, journalists are the watchdogs of freedom. So many times it's been dedicated journalists who brought the truth into the light, regardless of the consequences to those in power. (Or, sometimes, because of those consequences.) I would love to see publicly funded journalism, as long as there was a decent quality standard and the government COULD NOT influence the news being reported.
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permalink #132 of 280: Axon (axon) Mon 5 Feb 24 08:59
permalink #132 of 280: Axon (axon) Mon 5 Feb 24 08:59
>but public funding for political journalism doesn't give me the willies Scares the living shit out of me.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #133 of 280: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:05
permalink #133 of 280: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:05
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permalink #134 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:06
permalink #134 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:06
Doc Searls is working on the "News Commons": <https://doc.searls.com/news-commons/> Doc references the B Square Bulletin in Bloomington, Indiana: <https://bsquarebulletin.com/>, local news supported by community contributions. He lists a set of blog posts that develop ideas about a news commons. I haven't read the posts yet, but I suspect he's onto something.
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permalink #135 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:08
permalink #135 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:08
I think public funding could be workable, if done thoughtfully. It actually existed at one time, in the form of those legal notices in the classifieds. (There was occasionally some competition to be the newspaper of general record selected to receive that contract.) It would be safest for news organizations to have multiple funding streams. Even in the good old days, the big problem was when one company dominated the advertising buys, like the Macys example above.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #136 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:50
permalink #136 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Mon 5 Feb 24 09:50
NPR is not a bad example, though the government part of its budget is fairly modest. Public television, ditto, though it rarely functions as a news organization. I haven't read that Dearborn piece in the Journal, but the paper has a long history of bifurcation, a responsible and aggressive news operation and an editorial and op-ed section that's a font of right-wing lunacy. This sounds in keeping.
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permalink #137 of 280: david gault (dgault) Mon 5 Feb 24 10:57
permalink #137 of 280: david gault (dgault) Mon 5 Feb 24 10:57
thanks!
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #138 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Mon 5 Feb 24 12:17
permalink #138 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Mon 5 Feb 24 12:17
Yeah, the WSJ opinion section has long been posting from out past where the buses run. As for VOA being an example of an org that does well with government funding, there was this guy? Trump? <https://www.npr.org/2023/05/21/1177208862/usagm-michael-pack-voa-voice-of- america-investigation-trump-abuse-of-power>
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permalink #139 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 5 Feb 24 12:27
permalink #139 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Mon 5 Feb 24 12:27
There are ways the government can help fund local journalism that make it harder to exert editorial pressure. Wisconsin, surprisingly enough, is considering a tax credit to offset individuals news subscriptions. California is using the UC system to fund fellowships for journalists to work in underserved communities. New Jersey has formed a nonprofit consortium through its public universities that will offer grants to newsgathering projects. All of these approaches put buffers between elected officials and media content. And again, in the case of public universities, there is a long history of handling pressure to stifle or control speech, and a corresponding body of case law. (h/t to Dan Kennedy on Mastodon, who keeps track of these kinds of things: https://journa.host/@dankennedy_nu)
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permalink #140 of 280: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 5 Feb 24 14:12
permalink #140 of 280: Andrew Alden (alden) Mon 5 Feb 24 14:12
Peter, say more about "that's how we did it in the U.S. before the ad-based model took off."
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #141 of 280: posting from out past where the buses run (renshin) Mon 5 Feb 24 14:46
permalink #141 of 280: posting from out past where the buses run (renshin) Mon 5 Feb 24 14:46
Jswatz just supplied me with an excellent new pseudonym
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #142 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Mon 5 Feb 24 18:53
permalink #142 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Mon 5 Feb 24 18:53
MY WORK HERE IS DONE but really i'm here all week and til whenever we're done --also, I like Kennedy's list, and want to see lots of ideas and to see them tried out. Worrying about government interference is natural, but I'm open to imaginative ways of dealing with this crisis.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #143 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Mon 5 Feb 24 19:24
permalink #143 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Mon 5 Feb 24 19:24
One more thought for this evening: I don't always agree with Jay Rosen of NYU, but his analysis of what's gone wrong with the news business is worth reading, for those who can stand to look at Twitter: <https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1751614877230125087?s=42&t=Kb1xk-8ciLK 9onqXNhR7Mw>
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permalink #144 of 280: Alan Fletcher (af) Mon 5 Feb 24 19:37
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permalink #145 of 280: Alan Fletcher (af) Mon 5 Feb 24 19:48
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permalink #146 of 280: John Coate (tex) Tue 6 Feb 24 09:53
permalink #146 of 280: John Coate (tex) Tue 6 Feb 24 09:53
An Axios story about news orgs changing their revenue models to more flexible approaches. Noted is how The Guardian has done so well with its voluntary pricing. https://www.axios.com/2024/02/06/great-subscription-news-reversal
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permalink #147 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Tue 6 Feb 24 11:11
permalink #147 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Tue 6 Feb 24 11:11
And legislation introduced -- with bipartisan support in Congress, at least early on -- to rebuild local news with tax credits for advertisers and for hiring reporters: https://www.rebuildlocalnews.org/community-news-small-business-support-act/
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permalink #148 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Tue 6 Feb 24 11:57
permalink #148 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Tue 6 Feb 24 11:57
I suppose we should be mildly encouraged that so many different kinds of folks -- publishers, philanthropists, journalists, legislators -- are trying so many different approaches to trying to ...prop up? re-establish? independent journalism. Mildly.
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permalink #149 of 280: John Coate (tex) Tue 6 Feb 24 13:28
permalink #149 of 280: John Coate (tex) Tue 6 Feb 24 13:28
An example of why so many people rip on the NYT for their "bothsiderism" headlines: "Biden Tells Congress to 'Show Some Spine' as Border-Ukraine Deal Falters." He was specifically telling Republicans who are caving to Trump. I know they have to put up these headline quick but come on.
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permalink #150 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 6 Feb 24 14:14
permalink #150 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 6 Feb 24 14:14
i'll just post this here: came thru on my LI feed (no am not acquainted with its author, megan bungeroth) How many students will be graduating with journalism degrees this year? The news industry lost 2,681 jobs in 2023. The first month of 2024, we've lost hundreds more. 👎 A quick estimate of class sizes at Medill, Columbia, NYU, UC Berkeley and Mizzou adds up to about 1,300. And that's just from five of the top journalism schools in the country. There are thousands more. What are we telling these students? To start a Substack?? I don't have the answer, but I think it's time for journalism schools (specifically graduate programs) to take a hard look at the curriculum and start preparing their students for journalism-adjacent work. 💥 Journalism schools can teach content marketing. 💥 Journalism schools can teach PR. 💥 Journalism schools can teach entrepreneurial skills to launch agencies. 💥 Journalism schools can teach influencer marketing. 💥 Journalism schools can teach social media management. All of these fields require journalistic skills. And I wish we could get through this by doubling down on journalistic principles. But if I hear one more Ivory Tower media theorist start a proclamation with "Now, more than ever, we need journalism!" I will hurl. It's not that it isn't true. But people need jobs. Now, more than ever, as the economy spirals and layoffs continue. It's unethical to keep churning out students who aren't prepared to branch out from the path to their dream reporting gig that just doesn't exist anymore. I earned my Master's in Journalism from Craig Newmark Graduate School of Journalism at CUNY in 2010. I think CUNY did a better job than most at preparing us to actually land jobs in journalism. I started as a local news reporter and editor (for PRINT!) in Manhattan for four years, and I got that job thanks to my experience at CUNY. I'd love to know how my alma mater and other schools are preparing their students for the 2024 media hellscape. If you're a J-school student and want to talk about what it's like to work in content marketing, DM me.
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