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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #151 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 6 Feb 24 15:44
permalink #151 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Tue 6 Feb 24 15:44
Tex, to clarify John's answer: Whereas the WSJ newsroom is by and large well-respected, the editorial board's editorials typically tack hard right and hyperbolic, and are often at odds with reality as well as factual reporting. Regarding Vox: It is owned by Vox Media, which also owns New York magazine (and all its branded website), The Verge, SB Nation, and other outlets. It is not a non-profit. The kick-ass explainer outlet that IS a non-profit is The Conversation. (Disclosure: I sometimes edit stories for The Conversation US.) Paulina, I think the academic programs your writer is looking for already exist in the media and communications and business departments of many universities. Sure, journalism school can be good training for other kinds of communications work, as well. I don't believe, however, that journalism schools need to or should be training students to become cogs in the economic machine, rather than to report on the economy. All that said, I myself do not have a journalism degree.
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permalink #152 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 6 Feb 24 15:55
permalink #152 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 6 Feb 24 15:55
> I don't have the answer, but I think it's time for journalism >schools (specifically graduate programs) to take a hard look at the >curriculum and start preparing their students for >journalism-adjacent work. J-schools and undergraduate programs have been doing literally that for decades. Marketing and PR are program specializations at most of the larger undergrad programs in Southern California that Im familiar with. Even the somewhat smaller program at San Francisco State added entrepreneurial and social media management classes more than a decade ago, h/t Rachele Kanigel. Megan Bungeroth is a CUNY grad, according to her LinkedIn, so maybe thats why shes unaware of what journalism programs all over Los Angeles are up to. I dont think anybody teaching journalism has assumed our students would be working exclusively for news organizations since, I dont know, the 1990s?
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permalink #153 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 6 Feb 24 16:39
permalink #153 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 6 Feb 24 16:39
yeah i found megan's post extremely strange, not least of which is because many of those marcomm/content jobs are also disappearing for a whole bunch of reasons. and 'ivory tower'? that is such a dated strange epithet, up there with 'pointy-headed intellectual' and 'people who wear pocket protectors'. and imho 'media theorists' are generally not found in jschools but other places. all of which raised questions about who this person is and why she wrote this odd piece pushed out on LI...
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #154 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Tue 6 Feb 24 17:39
permalink #154 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Tue 6 Feb 24 17:39
it felt like outrage farming to me. So out of date. By the way, I also was not a journalism major, something I make sure to tell my students. I got a liberal arts degree, and am grateful for it.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #155 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:08
permalink #155 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:08
Columbia is graduate students only, and we have a data journalism program, but no PR or marketing. Students drift into those specialties nonetheless, including social media. I have at times worried that I was part of a Ponzi scheme preparing students for jobs that don't exist, but even now our students do get jobs. Some are journalism-adjacent, most not.
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permalink #156 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:49
permalink #156 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:49
My father was a professor of Social Work and towards the end of his career he had similar concerns. Many of his students were first-generation college students, going into debt for careers where they would earn less than a barista. (Social Workers who go into private counseling earn more, but that's not where most grads are heading)
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permalink #157 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:50
permalink #157 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:50
Looping back to newspapers: here in Massachusetts a distressing number of local papers are now owned by conglomerates and have essentially stopped covering local news. My town's newspaper is now owned by Gannet - Wikipedia lists *93* Massachusetts papers of theirs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Gannett Our town is fortunate to have a local online paper, started by a former Boston Globe journalist. It's very small, and sometimes a little rough around the edges, but it's survived for over a decade and is now a registered non-profit: https://www.yourarlington.com/ The founder was inspired by "We the Media" by Dan Gillmor, https://www.oreilly.com/library/view/we-the-media/0596007337/ about the rise of the citizen journalist (not to be confused with the anthology of the same name). The downside, of course, is that it's equally possible to become a new source of misinformation.
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permalink #158 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:51
permalink #158 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Tue 6 Feb 24 18:51
yeah outrage farming --- yet concludes with 'dm me'. maybe she is running some sort business that feeds/predates on j students? i just found the whole thing --- odd. agree with 'get an undergrad degree in something else' and 'jschool like many professional programs should be a graduate degree'. i really do wonder why craig newmark funded an undergrad journo program at cuny...
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permalink #159 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 6 Feb 24 22:49
permalink #159 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Tue 6 Feb 24 22:49
There are solid arguments for not making journalists spend 1-2 years in grad school when they could have picked up the skills as undergrads, given that the average pay in the profession is still something like $40K. I am saying this as someone with an MJ that, thank god, I got at a public university paying in-state tuition.
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permalink #160 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 07:11
permalink #160 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 07:11
I just did a quick search, and there appear to be several undergraduate journalism programs going at the CUNY schools already. Paulina, do you know if Newmark funding one of those, or is it more the expansion of the j-school itself into an undergraduate program? When I was making my way into the profession, staff journalists still outnumbered freelance. In my experiences talking with people at conferences or other gatherings, many of these salaried reporters claimed to know little and care less about the business side of the company. By the mid-2010s, that attitude had ebbed considerably. It occurs to me that in terms of higher education, maybe what the news sector could really use are business and non-profit management programs that offer coursework on building and running a news business! This is what the CUNY J-school's entrepreneurial journalism fellowship does, essentially. BTW: There are still a couple days left to apply for the spring cohort: https://www.journalism.cuny.edu/j-plus/entrepreneurial-journalism-creators-pro gram/ejcp-application/
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permalink #161 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 07:25
permalink #161 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 07:25
Even though public radio newsrooms are far from immune to cutbacks and layoffs, they are still providing vital local coverage in many parts of the country. I wonder if there is a path for reviving local news by consolidating into or expanding out from existing public radio stations. Some here may recall how in 2011, after the staff of the Gothamist network of sites voted to unionize their owner retaliated by nearly shutting down the sites. Not long afterwards, WNYC-New York Public Radio, KPCC and WAMU acquired Gothamist, LAist and DCist, respectively. Since then WNYC has been building Gothamist into a really good local news outlet, both independently and in collaboration with the radio newsroom. (NYC and the metro area have many gaps in local news coverage, surprising as that may sound.) Around the same time, when then-Gov. Chris Christie announced that he was selling off New Jersey Network (state-funded public TV and radio - which de facto Christie despised), WNYC took over the NJN northern NJ radio stations and now includes regular NJ news, public affairs and statehouse coverage in its local news coverage. I highly recommend the WNYC podcast "Dead End: A New Jersey Murder Mystery," especially if you've noticed that George Norcross has been back in the news recently. (Hint: It's not just about true crime.) https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/dead-end WNET, NYC's PBS flagship station, took over NJN's tv stations, and puts on a sober daily NJ news show. Meanwhile, a really great NYC culture and public affairs show, Metrofocus, vanished from WNET at the end of November with maybe 24 hours notice.
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permalink #162 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Wed 7 Feb 24 07:45
permalink #162 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Wed 7 Feb 24 07:45
I'm wondering about Gannett, the largest newspaper publisher in the US, publisher of USA Today and owner of a very large number of local publications. I think there's an assumption that local news was diminished for those properties when Gannett acquired them, but that hasn't been the case for Austin. The Austin American-Statesman still has very good local coverage, enough so that we keep pay 100/month for the physical paper. (My wife reads it, I don't - but she's constantly showing me the coverage.) The current editor, Manny Garcia, won the 2022 Editor of the Year Award from the National Press Foundation - he had previously worked with Pro Publica and Texas Tribune. So is Gannett destroying local coverage? Or keeping it alive?
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permalink #163 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Wed 7 Feb 24 08:25
permalink #163 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Wed 7 Feb 24 08:25
They ruined the ones around here. Im having a brief fantasy of forming a nonprofit to make templates that citizen journalists could use to get their local web- and email-based news sites up and running. The underlying structural requirements are pretty much the same, adding and subtracting sections and a few features, but the tech can be a big barrier. ( actually, thinking someone must have already done this, in Wordpress or Drupal or Joomla or similar?)
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permalink #164 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Wed 7 Feb 24 08:43
permalink #164 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Wed 7 Feb 24 08:43
Gannett has only owned the American-Statesman for six years, give it time. (It may also be somewhat protected by its flagship status in the chain.)
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permalink #165 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:35
permalink #165 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:35
Despite my affiliation, I can't argue that students need a graduate degree in journalism. An undergrad degree, especially at a school with a lively student newspaper, preferably a daily, and an internship or two will serve as well. It's one of the confounding things about journalism in general: no licensure and not even an agreed-upon educational pathway. You can have a grad degree. You can have an undergrad degree. You can have no journalism degree at all but have been an editor at the Harvard Crimson or the Yale Daily News and tap into the network of similarly privileged folks at the NYT or WashPost or NPR. You can be a freelance and segue into a staff job or, more likely, the reverse. It's both liberating and frustrating that there's no One True Path.
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permalink #166 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:40
permalink #166 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:40
craig's initial donations to cuny https://www.journalism.cuny.edu/2018/06/now-craig-newmark-graduate-school-jour nalism-city-university-new-york/ and another this year: https://www.journalism.cuny.edu/2024/01/10-million-gift-sets-craig-newmark-gra duate-school-of-journalism-on-path-to-free-tuition/ left out of this discussion (perhaps too tangential) is the parallel death of magazines...
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permalink #167 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:50
permalink #167 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:50
For those who don't know, Gannett is a media holding company (itself owned by a private equity firm) that owns newspapers in more than a hundred (hundreds?) U.S. markets, including many state and regional newspapers such as the Austin American-Statesman, as well as local papers. It was formed via the purchase or merger of a number of newspaper chains, including the publisher that originated the name Gannett.
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permalink #168 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:56
permalink #168 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 09:56
I was attending my fellowship when Newmark made his initial endowment donation and got the school named after him. Not a terribly welcome move with some students at the time (the renaming), but clearly his involvement in solidifying the school's financial future is a hugely positive thing. (At a reception I attended back then, he mentioned that he also wanted to fund something that would help NYC's pigeons. I suggested he check out the Wild Bird Fund, and hope he did.)
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permalink #169 of 280: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Wed 7 Feb 24 10:31
permalink #169 of 280: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Wed 7 Feb 24 10:31
I remember taking a tour of the Gannett paper in Rochester when I was in grade school. It was very Front Page - linotype machines, presses the size of buildings, and workers with little hats made out of newsprint. At the time, that was their HQ city.
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permalink #170 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Wed 7 Feb 24 11:37
permalink #170 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Wed 7 Feb 24 11:37
I read two articles about the press this morning. The NYTimes reported >>The New York Times Company added 300,000 paid digital subscribers in the fourth quarter of 2023, the company said on Wednesday, helping to push annual revenue for digital subscriptions above $1 billion for the first time. and in another story >>Over Tacos and Beer, Journalists Mourn Their Lost Jobs Hundreds of newsroom staff have been laid off in the last month. On Friday, they gathered to commiserate at the National Press Club. So I guess the Times is winning. And happy to let us know it.
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permalink #171 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 7 Feb 24 11:53
permalink #171 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 7 Feb 24 11:53
appears to be a winner take all situation...
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permalink #172 of 280: david gault (dgault) Wed 7 Feb 24 11:58
permalink #172 of 280: david gault (dgault) Wed 7 Feb 24 11:58
good piece here that came across my feed today - https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/kara-swisher-burn-book-excerpt-silicon -valley-media.html?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us the subhead is: Over Three Decades, Tech Obliterated Media I was at Yahoo working on Bing during the period she discusses. I get a big kick out of people who address ChatBot as "Bing, answer me this"
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #173 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 7 Feb 24 13:12
permalink #173 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 7 Feb 24 13:12
thanx for posting this. kara always felt like a silval apologist --- but this is very welcome.
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permalink #174 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Wed 7 Feb 24 13:25
permalink #174 of 280: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Wed 7 Feb 24 13:25
Unfortunately behind a paywall. This might work, at least for users of Apple News: <https://apple.news/AlJlCMPumSJSq3rZIXDJz4Q>
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permalink #175 of 280: david gault (dgault) Wed 7 Feb 24 18:52
permalink #175 of 280: david gault (dgault) Wed 7 Feb 24 18:52
I saw it because it was my first (of two) free articles per month at New York Magazine. "silval apologist"....took me a few seconds to decode. I live in a forest.
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