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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #176 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 18:57
permalink #176 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Wed 7 Feb 24 18:57
Swisher has never struck me as an apologist.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #177 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Wed 7 Feb 24 20:16
permalink #177 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Wed 7 Feb 24 20:16
I generally talk up the Statesman, which has great reporters and has it seems to me, resisted a lot of the worst that Gannett does to its publications. But this story in Texas Monthly says despite these successes, Gannett is starving the Statesman. <https://www.texasmonthly.com/news-politics/austin-american-statesman-cuts- gannett/?utm_source=texasmonthly.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=sharebut ton> they don't do gift access, but I think the paywall doesn't kick in til you've had a couple of tastes.
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permalink #178 of 280: John Coate (tex) Wed 7 Feb 24 20:44
permalink #178 of 280: John Coate (tex) Wed 7 Feb 24 20:44
Do news orgs produce TikTok news items?
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permalink #179 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Feb 24 06:17
permalink #179 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Feb 24 06:17
Definitely! I am not a TikTok user myself (although those days may be winding down, from a professional standpoint), but try to keep up on the trends, and in the past couple years some significant analyses of news on TikTok have emerged: TikTok is becoming the platform where the most adults under 30 go for news, according to Pew Research: https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/11/15/more-americans-are-getting- news-on-tiktok-bucking-the-trend-seen-on-most-other-social-media-sites/ By the end of 2022, around half of the world's biggest news publishers were posting on TikTok, according to Reuters Institute of Journalism. However, Reuters researchers have also found that much more news is generated by "influencers, activists, or ordinary people" (their term, not mine!) than journalists: https://reutersinstitute.politics.ox.ac.uk/how-publishers-are-learning-create- and-distribute-news-tiktok Outlets are battling the algo to get traction, according to research published last year: " In the context of US-based news audiences, we examine the accounts TikTok recommends, the videos it shows new users, and its trending hashtags. We find almost no evidence of proactive news exposure on TikToks behalf. We also find that, while TikToks algorithms respond slightly to active signals of news interest from simulated users, that response does not lead to increased exposure to credible news content. These findings highlight a lack of algorithmic news distribution on TikTok." <https://doi.org/10.1177/14614448231192964>
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #180 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Feb 24 06:19
permalink #180 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Feb 24 06:19
Coincidentally to your post, tex, this item arrived in today's API Need to Know newsletter: "Viral social media account Betches is teaming up with Vitus V Spehar, who runs the @underthedesknews TikTok account, to create a political podcast called American Fever Dream, along with news-driven accounts to connect with young voters. The two powerhouse social media accounts boast a combined 12.2 million followers and plan to identify the space between influencer and media company to report on the election. Betches leans in to memes and humor in its coverage, and doesnt shy away from its liberal slant but plans to cover both Democratic and Republican news." The story being summarized appears in The Washington Post (paywalled): https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/02/06/betches-election-coverage -instagram/
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permalink #181 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Feb 24 06:28
permalink #181 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Thu 8 Feb 24 06:28
Today's API newsletter also includes a couple items that on the state of covering the police and crime, and of covering extremists: "A combination of staff reductions and eroding trust between reporters and police have fundamentally changed how crime reporting is done, but ... [T]aking a public safety approach to crime coverage, including identifying a mission for that coverage, might help newsrooms rethink how they approach the cop beat." https://www.poynter.org/commentary/2024/better-relationships-with-cops-wont-he lp-journalists-cover-crime/ "Reporting on people with extreme views? Ditch the shortcuts." https://poynter.org/reporting-editing/2024/reporting-on-people-with-extreme-vi ews-ditch-the-shortcuts/ The three main points: "know some basic stats," "avoid stock phrases" [ejg note: a real challenge, I agree, from my pov of covering climate science denial], and "ask three key questions": * Is this actually new and changes how some piece of our democracy works? * To what extent is it happening? Is this a one-off, or does it show up over and over? * Whats the response of other political or civic actors? Do they reject and try to tamp down the activity, or do they remain silent or endorse it?
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #182 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 08:57
permalink #182 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 08:57
The news business isn't just sitting around waiting to die.
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permalink #183 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Thu 8 Feb 24 10:35
permalink #183 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Thu 8 Feb 24 10:35
I think <mazz> made an excellent suggestion above in <160>: > It occurs to me that in terms of higher education, maybe what the > news sector could really use are business and non-profit management > programs that offer coursework on building and running a news > business! The field of Journalism and News are in a condition where innovation and entrepreneurship are needed in order to create new, viable formats for the field to thrive (in my opinion) and so people looking to succeed in this area should be very aware of how the financial aspects work, to help them develop new, successful modalities.
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permalink #184 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Thu 8 Feb 24 12:40
permalink #184 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Thu 8 Feb 24 12:40
That was actually Emily! But let me again toot the horn for my colleague Rachele Kanigel at SF State, who pioneered an entrepreneurial class in their undergraduate program probably close to 15 years ago now. My experience has been that innovation in education often happens in programs that ARENT necessarily considered elite in the field. Jay Seidel has been teaching drone and VR journalism at Fullerton College since the early 2010s, for example.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #185 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 8 Feb 24 13:30
permalink #185 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 8 Feb 24 13:30
I will just note that however silval you think Kara Swisher is, I first knew her (John probably did too) at the Washington Post decades back, where she was a news assistant in the Style section. She has legacy media roots.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #186 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 8 Feb 24 14:17
permalink #186 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 8 Feb 24 14:17
I'm confused by the word silval. I did a search and it doesn't seem to exist. Curious because I find Kara Swisher interesting
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permalink #187 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 8 Feb 24 14:58
permalink #187 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 8 Feb 24 14:58
I'm assuming it refers to SILicon VALley.
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permalink #188 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Thu 8 Feb 24 15:05
permalink #188 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Thu 8 Feb 24 15:05
Silicon Valley
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permalink #189 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Thu 8 Feb 24 15:05
permalink #189 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Thu 8 Feb 24 15:05
Paula slipped in while I spent seven minutes readin!
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permalink #190 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 8 Feb 24 15:16
permalink #190 of 280: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 8 Feb 24 15:16
Ah Thanks
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #191 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 16:47
permalink #191 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 16:47
about my 182: (I meant that in response to the question from <Tex> about whether news organizations are usuing TikTok.) Here's the NYT Tiktok channel, which I don't have access to because the University of Texas prohibits access under its interpretation of Texas law, which says a lot of what you might want to know about Texas law. <https://www.tiktok.com/@nytimes?lang=en>
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permalink #192 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 16:53
permalink #192 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 16:53
Friends of mine also worked on teams to bring NYT coverage to Facebook, Facebook Live, Snapchat, Instagram, various Google features and every other possible new iteration of social media. Reporters would undergo training to work with these various platforms, learn how to shoot short videos with our phones and use editing software, create podcasts, create made-for-phone short features based on cards that were easy to read on the phone, and others I can't even remember. It was a tremendous amount of work, and it took up time that you might have been working on stories. But I loved it, for the most part, because when you were don't you'd created journalism in a different way. I worked with the data journalism folks to create incredible, computationally rich features, and alerts you could read on your watch. Not every newsroom has the resources to try all of these things! And after you've done them all, it might be that what people get excited about is Wordle and recipes. But you don't want to be left behind.
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permalink #193 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 8 Feb 24 17:08
permalink #193 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 8 Feb 24 17:08
sorry, i do tend to speak/write in my own private language and started using 'silval' as shorthand yrs ago. yes kara does have legacy media roots. as someone in and around tech for zillions of yrs, i had a different take on much of her writing than some here. but i dont wish her ill... as to #192, the amount of -time- that it takes to do multimodal?/multimedia? journalism would seem to subtract from time/effort to do the traditional stuff. there just arent that many hours in the day.
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permalink #194 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 8 Feb 24 17:20
permalink #194 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Thu 8 Feb 24 17:20
The scramble was on to identify whatever it was that supposedly would Save Journalism. At one point, at the NYT, the contender was...blogs. There were something like 60 of them, a blog for every sport, a blog for polo for gods sake, blogs for photography and foreign affairs. The New Old Age started life as a blog. Then it turned out that producing and editing blogs was expensive and the blogs didn't pay for themselves, so most of them were snuffed. Then it was video. Which maybe it kinda is. Then virtual reality. Every home subscriber got a cardboard thingamajig that made VR more V. I never actually tried it; by the time I dug up my cardboard thing, the VR phase was largely over. So, maybe it is games and recipes, which would be fine. But while I am selfishly glad, as a reader and a contributor, that the Times is gaining subscribers and scooping up fine reporters from everywhere and promising products like The Athletic (disclosure: my kid is an editor there) and Wordle, this is not actually a healthy thing, to have one potent and profitable national newspaper and so much carnage elsewhere. There has to be a way to spread the wealth, or at least stem the bleeding.
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permalink #195 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 8 Feb 24 17:47
permalink #195 of 280: Paulina Borsook (loris) Thu 8 Feb 24 17:47
so much agreement with #194.
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permalink #196 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 18:31
permalink #196 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Thu 8 Feb 24 18:31
It is definitely not healthy to have just a couple of big, profitable newspapers. (blogs? how could I have forgotten the blogs? And AR and VR and everything else.)
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permalink #197 of 280: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Thu 8 Feb 24 23:56
permalink #197 of 280: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Thu 8 Feb 24 23:56
I saw "silval" and wondered whether it was a variant of "sylvan", a claim that she is a forest creature.
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permalink #198 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 9 Feb 24 07:19
permalink #198 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 9 Feb 24 07:19
In 1994 when I interviewed for the GM role at SF Gate, one condition I required was that we would be allowed to create our own content, and that it would experiment with all forms of multimedia. They (Chronicle and Examiner top management) at first were taken aback saying "but we create the content." But I argued that the Gate project needed to be seen as a grand experiment in partnership with the readers to see what would work as the tech rapidly evolves. They looked around at each other and then agreed. Then, when I submitted my first budget in 1995, it had $15K set aside for "unknown good thing." They went along with that too, some remarking that this was the first time they authorized money for something unknown. The money was used to experiment with then-emerging web-ready cams, digital photos and audio. Few people in the newspaper newsrooms were much interested in this evolution, but the people at KRON were enthusiastic. It was that news group that provided most of the ground-level support for trying new things. Thus we put out the first traffic cams on the net and we broadcast the first live webcast of a major league sporting event with the Oakland A's in 1997. This was all done teaming up with the KRON news people and their techs. Dan Rosenheim, who has been both the Managing Editor of the Chronicle and the News Director at KRON and KPIX, once told me that "newspaper people self-select for introverts and television people self-select for extroverts."
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permalink #199 of 280: Alex Davie (icenine) Fri 9 Feb 24 07:26
permalink #199 of 280: Alex Davie (icenine) Fri 9 Feb 24 07:26
Laughing Out Loud on that one, <karish> since I thot, as well, that it might refer to a forest creature..
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permalink #200 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 9 Feb 24 07:43
permalink #200 of 280: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 9 Feb 24 07:43
>Then it was video. Which maybe it kinda is. OMG, don't get me started on the "pivot to video." Looking back, I was practically a Cassandra, trying to convince people that there was no way the numbers Facebook was claiming could be accurate. Truth!!
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