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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #201 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 9 Feb 24 08:38
permalink #201 of 280: Mary Mazzocco (mazz) Fri 9 Feb 24 08:38
Ill just be over here, pouring one out for all the great projects built with Flash.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #202 of 280: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 9 Feb 24 08:45
permalink #202 of 280: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 9 Feb 24 08:45
I bought that coolaid, too, <mazz>, to my ongoing chagrin (and lots of no-longer-accessible Flash environments).
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #203 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 08:50
permalink #203 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 08:50
> Then, when I submitted my first budget in 1995, it had $15K set aside for > "unknown good thing." They went along with that too, some remarking that > this was the first time they authorized money for something unknown. The > money was used to experiment with then-emerging web-ready cams, digital > photos and audio. I love the name you gave that item! And I'm glad they agreed to it. Was KRON still an NBC affiliate at that time? > "newspaper people self-select for introverts and television people self- > select for extroverts." Makes sense!
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permalink #204 of 280: david gault (dgault) Fri 9 Feb 24 09:09
permalink #204 of 280: david gault (dgault) Fri 9 Feb 24 09:09
Every time a non-subscriber fires up Wordle they get a pitch to subscribe to NYT, which provides access to an attractive looking array of Wordle add ons. I bet the 300,000 new subscribers in Q4 last year include a whole lot of Wordle players.
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permalink #205 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 9 Feb 24 09:28
permalink #205 of 280: John Coate (tex) Fri 9 Feb 24 09:28
Yes they were an NBC affiliate until after it was sold by the Chronicle Publishing Company. In 1997 I went to the National Association of Broadcasters convention in Las Vegas. There at a big NBC rollout they aggressively pushed on all their affiliates their future "best-of-breed" everything (which you may recall ended up with their buying an office building in downtown SF and then ultimately coming to naught). The President of NBC TV at the time, Neil Braun, came to SF to see if we would change and go with their NBC web offering. I told him no because what they had was not good enough. And it wasn't, not nearly. We ended with him asking if at least we would put an NBC Peacock with a link on our site. We did do that, on the KRON page.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #206 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Fri 9 Feb 24 12:16
permalink #206 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Fri 9 Feb 24 12:16
I am still hoping for the micropayments envisioned in the 1990's. There are SO many interesting sites and SO many interesting writers, and when every interesting writer wants $5.00/mo or 'the cost of a cup of coffee a day' it starts adding up to gallons and gallons. And then I have to ask myself how many of these wonderful long serious writers I can actually read in a month. And it's almost never worth paying a yearly subscription to a magazine when you just want to read one column. The net effect may be that the most popular get all the subscribers and the smaller ones go under. But with micropayments, instead of non-subscribers being stopped by "Are you enjoying this story? To keep reading, sign in as a subscriber" the button could say "Are you enjoying this story? To keep reading, pay $0.05 to support us." I know my coffee money would be spread over many more sources.
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permalink #207 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 12:34
permalink #207 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 12:34
Post.new has a points system for reading stuff. I don't know how I get the points but I spend 'em over there. I hope it helps.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #208 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Fri 9 Feb 24 13:08
permalink #208 of 280: Betsy Schwartz (betsys) Fri 9 Feb 24 13:08
With micropayments there could also be a scale. Clickbait might be a penny, but a long well-researched article could be $5 or even more (and even applied to the cost of your annual subscription perhaps?) A lot of people would have to do this for it to be cost-effective. But if a few large providers got involved, it could start to spread.
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John Schwartz and Paula Span: State of the News 2024
permalink #209 of 280: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Fri 9 Feb 24 14:42
permalink #209 of 280: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Fri 9 Feb 24 14:42
Musicians make very little money from streaming, because the site providers take nearly all of it. I wonder how we could organize that differently for writers.
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permalink #210 of 280: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Fri 9 Feb 24 15:37
permalink #210 of 280: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Fri 9 Feb 24 15:37
Payments by streaming services are micropayments, or maybe they're more properly nanopayments. The payouts to content owners are way too small because the services have all the power.
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permalink #211 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 16:29
permalink #211 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 16:29
Yep.
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permalink #212 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 16:38
permalink #212 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 16:38
This just in from Jay Rosen: <https://twitter.com/jayrosen_nyu/status/1756114551781683632> "News companies are reversing course on hard subscriptions - once seen as a safer alternative to the volatile ad market - in favor of flexible paywalls, membership programs and more ads." <https://axios.com/2024/02/06/great-subscription-news-reversal> Subscription is a tough, tough business. So is digital advertising.
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permalink #213 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 16:39
permalink #213 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Fri 9 Feb 24 16:39
<https://axios.com/2024/02/06/great-subscription-news-reversal> The big picture: A strategy focused mainly on subscriptions requires upfront spending on premium content. That takes time to pay off â and many publishers don't have the cushion for that in the current ad slowdown. At the same time, many outlets have learned that simply throwing a paywall up over your previously free content doesn't work either. It throttles ad revenue without capturing enough new subscribers.
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permalink #214 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 9 Feb 24 18:54
permalink #214 of 280: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 9 Feb 24 18:54
Micropayments, dammit lemme throw the newsboy a dime so I can read all about it.
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permalink #215 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Fri 9 Feb 24 19:54
permalink #215 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Fri 9 Feb 24 19:54
let a thousand payment schemes bloom!
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permalink #216 of 280: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 9 Feb 24 22:49
permalink #216 of 280: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 9 Feb 24 22:49
Someone must be doing actual work on micropayments. Where are they?
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permalink #217 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sat 10 Feb 24 07:36
permalink #217 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sat 10 Feb 24 07:36
Have a look at: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/micropayment.asp one key item: > ... many business owners and e-commerce sites have issues finding a > credit card processor as the fee for processing transactions may be more > than the micropayment. The transaction cost to send US $0.50 needs to be a lot less than US $0.50 for it to work well. I believe that the key to widespread use of micropayments (if ever) is to have a ultra-low-cost way to handle the actual transactions, refunds, verification, etc. The currency that people might spead via micropayments is always held in some kind of trusted digital system such as a bank or perhaps a crypto-currency custodian. Micropayments involves having a secure way to move currency between these systems as very high volume and very low cost per transaction. It is an entirely new type of infrastructure still very much in its infancy.
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permalink #218 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Sat 10 Feb 24 09:44
permalink #218 of 280: David Gans (tnf) Sat 10 Feb 24 09:44
Sounds like we might need a public utility as opposed to a for-profit entity to handle that?
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permalink #219 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 10 Feb 24 23:27
permalink #219 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sat 10 Feb 24 23:27
Sort of like the BBC? I would use micropayments too, and it's disheartening to learn how many barriers there are to what seems like it should be a simple process. Meanwhile, I report with no pleasure that Rebecca Solnit announced today on Twitter that she is canceling her NYT subscription because she finds its coverage (not just the opinion columnists) biased in favor of Trump.
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permalink #220 of 280: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Sat 10 Feb 24 23:51
permalink #220 of 280: Ron Levin (eclectic2) Sat 10 Feb 24 23:51
That's just sad. I understand people feeling stressed by the polarization in this country, but blaming the mainstream media - and instead turning to media that panders to you - just makes the problem worse. If she really feels as though she has a case to make, I think she should make it. Maybe she can help make the paper better. But just quitting implies that the problem is hopeless corruption, not correctable mistakes. And that's what makes the problem worse.
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permalink #221 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sun 11 Feb 24 07:23
permalink #221 of 280: Paula Span (pspan) Sun 11 Feb 24 07:23
The Nieman Lab has published a two-part series on the challenges facing small non-profit newsrooms that is worth a look: https://www.niemanlab.org/2024/02/many-small-news-nonprofits-feel-overlooked-b y-funders-a-new-coalition-is-giving-them-a-voice/
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permalink #222 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 11 Feb 24 07:39
permalink #222 of 280: John Coate (tex) Sun 11 Feb 24 07:39
In my view Solnit is correct in her take about the NYT. They coast on their "paper of record" reputation while putting their thumb on the political scale way too often for my taste. What galls me the most about them is how they constantly present themselves as unbiased. Not so.
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permalink #223 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sun 11 Feb 24 08:01
permalink #223 of 280: POOR TASTE IN KISS-WRITING (jswatz) Sun 11 Feb 24 08:01
The Solnit news makes me sad. I don't like the way the opinion side piles on to every controversy about Biden, and I think the political reporting should be improved greatly. But you stay, criticize, and demand better. I was pleased to see the top of the web page today was about Trump's NATO madness, with any age stuff below. I'd like to see them continue to make better choices.
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permalink #224 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 11 Feb 24 08:40
permalink #224 of 280: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Sun 11 Feb 24 08:40
Thank you Paula for the link to the NiemanLab article - very helpful.
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permalink #225 of 280: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Sun 11 Feb 24 08:45
permalink #225 of 280: those Andropovian bongs (rik) Sun 11 Feb 24 08:45
That's a really hard get for me tex. The idea that what I really do have framed in my head as the paper of record, is run by people who either don't see Trump for the existential danger he is to the republic, or who don't care. I'm only now admitting it to myself.
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