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Topic 546: Philip K. Dick, The Last Ten Years: A Conversation Between a Dark-Haired Girl and Tim Powers
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Philip K. Dick, The Last Ten Years: A Conversation Between a Dark-Haired Girl and Tim Powers
permalink #151 of 241: Jonathan Lethem (jlethem) Tue 11 Jun 24 15:06
permalink #151 of 241: Jonathan Lethem (jlethem) Tue 11 Jun 24 15:06
Absolutely, Linda, thanks. You're very eloquent on this. I wanted to try to unpack some of the specific thoughts it was triggering in me: that dividing people into "empathic" and "cold" was a project from within a denied experience of being split that way himself...
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permalink #152 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Tue 11 Jun 24 20:48
permalink #152 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Tue 11 Jun 24 20:48
With reference to Maer Wilson's experience, Linda, you note that "it was certainly different from what of the rest of the gang experienced." This is true, and should be mentioned, to forestall the takeaway impression that he was Heathcliff from "Wuthering Heights." We used to say that somebody could call him and say, "Phil, I've been evicted and my car's broke down. Can you loan me $400 bucks and help move my couch?" and he'd say, "Sure, I'll be right over. Uh -- who is this?" And he was a regular at Thursday night gatherings at my apartment in the late '70s and up to February of '82, and was always very chatty and convivial. Among other things, he was probably the funniest guy I've ever known. -- Along with all the rest.
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permalink #153 of 241: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Tue 11 Jun 24 23:06
permalink #153 of 241: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Tue 11 Jun 24 23:06
Tim it was a relief to read your last
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permalink #154 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 12 Jun 24 01:04
permalink #154 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 12 Jun 24 01:04
>>always very chatty and convivial Tim, he never went into a catatonic withdrawal or a sudden flip into silence and heaviness like he did when we returned from the movies and his party had "been going on for two hours"? >>he was probably the funniest guy Yes, he could definitely be funny. Like, for example, one of the letters he sent me about Elijah and Ovaltine. September 18, 1975 Dear Linda, My therapist, who is Jewish, says that a Jewish New Year just took place (or a New Jewish Year, whatever). [...] Why I am writing you is because of a perplexing theological problem which she could not answer. Last Passover, being not in possession of any wine, but wishing to put out a cup for Elijah, I put a cup of Ovaltine out for Him. Later on, when I looked, not only was the Ovaltine gone but so was the cup. My therapist says that Elijah does not drink Ovaltine, in which case I think I deserve having my cup back, don't you think? Myself, I think it was Elijah. He knew I didn't have any wine. [...] The Orphics believed that milk sweetened with honey was the food of the gods, which is where we get out (sic) expression, "the land of milk and honey," or else the Orphics got it from us. In any case, my cup is still missing. Was this a major religious experience, or did I just lose something? Hoping that you can shed light on this matter I remain, your humble admirer, Phil P.S. If I convert, do I get my cup back?
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permalink #155 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Wed 12 Jun 24 15:53
permalink #155 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Wed 12 Jun 24 15:53
Linda, you asked, "Tim, he never went into a catatonic withdrawal or a sudden flip intosilence and heaviness like he did when we returned from the moviesand his party had 'been going on for two hours'?" I never saw the full catatonic withdrawal, but did sometimes see the flip into silence and heaviness. A bit of context -- he and I, often with Joel Stein, would spend many late nights in 72 sitting around in the living room of their apartment, and -- Im quoting now from a thing I wrote for the PKDS Newsletter in 83 -- over many a jug of cheap Chianti, Phil used to tell me about his days in Marin County ... murky stories of insanity, knifings, dope, brain damage ... stories about experimental disorientation drugs developed for chemical warfare but stolen from government warehouses and sold on the street as recreational drugs ... endless retellings and speculations about the time his house in San Rafael was so spectacularly broken into in 1971 ... Phil had recently bought the Stones album Sticky Fingers, and I still cant hear Sister Morphine or Moonlight Mile without instantly being back in that living room, me pouched in an old brown-vinyl beanbag chair and Phil on the couch, the bottle on the table between us, Phil frowning as he decided how much of some awful story he dared reveal to me ... He had a horror of sexually transmitted diseases , and he was uneasily impressed with Thomas Dischs 1968 novel Camp Concentration, in which political prisoners are injected with an experimental variety of syphilis that makes them geniuses even as it kills them. Well, one such night I idly mentioned having heard from a friend that a particularly virulent form of syphilis had shown up in Vietnam, and that although ground troops were being screened for it, Air Force pilots were bringing it back to the States. This shut him down -- heavy frown, total silence, for several minutes. ("So how about that, eh, Phil? Uh, Phil? Phil?") There were a few other instances too, but thats one I particularly remember.
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permalink #156 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 12 Jun 24 16:22
permalink #156 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Wed 12 Jun 24 16:22
Tim, one of the videos I watched said that Phil had a phobia about swallowing and about eating in public. Did you ever observe any evidence of that?
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permalink #157 of 241: Frako Loden (frako) Wed 12 Jun 24 16:34
permalink #157 of 241: Frako Loden (frako) Wed 12 Jun 24 16:34
> Phil had recently bought the Stones album Sticky Fingers, and I still cant hear Sister Morphine or Moonlight Mile without instantly being back in that living room, me pouched in an old brown-vinyl beanbag chair and Phil on the couch, the bottle on the table between us, Phil frowning as he decided how much of some awful story he dared reveal to me ... Wow, this really brings back Marin to me too. But I didn't have PKD to tell me crazy stories!
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permalink #158 of 241: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Wed 12 Jun 24 18:03
permalink #158 of 241: Tiffany Lee Brown (magdalen) Wed 12 Jun 24 18:03
still admiring this conversation! i think lethem's observation about splitting sounds about right (hi, jonathan -- i sent you email recently -- we met a few times back in the day) and, to me, sits well with the whole Borderline Personality Disorder feel i get from these letters and from Linda's observations.
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permalink #159 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 12 Jun 24 19:15
permalink #159 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Wed 12 Jun 24 19:15
wanna say something about how perhaps in 'camp concentration' (which also left a huge impression on me and equated with some of my feelings about illness as metaphor) perhaps pkd felt some sort of uneasy answering spirit.
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permalink #160 of 241: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Wed 12 Jun 24 20:55
permalink #160 of 241: Jef Poskanzer (jef) Wed 12 Jun 24 20:55
By the other D author.
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permalink #161 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Wed 12 Jun 24 23:40
permalink #161 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Wed 12 Jun 24 23:40
Linda, no, I never noticed a phobia about eating and swallowing in public. I can think of a number of lunches and dinners in restaurants with him -- lunches with me and Blaylock and Jeter at various places, dinners at that Mexican restaurant by Roy Squires' house, etc. (Everybody: Squires was a private press printer and rare book dealer who lived in Glendale. Phil once said that visiting Squires was the only good reason to drive to L.A. ((though technically Glendale is in the San Fernando Valley.)))
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permalink #162 of 241: Jeremy Crampton (ubikcan) Thu 13 Jun 24 05:44
permalink #162 of 241: Jeremy Crampton (ubikcan) Thu 13 Jun 24 05:44
Just dropping in to thank you for this conversation. Looking forward to tonight's class Tim.
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permalink #163 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 14 Jun 24 12:10
permalink #163 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 14 Jun 24 12:10
Last night, Tim gave a talk via Zoom to a class about Phil at San Francisco State. This has been an in-depth class meeting two times a week for what, 16 weeks? 18 weeks? I lost count. Tim's talk was the final one, about Phil's last days. Since we are getting close to the end of our featured time here on inkwell, I thought it might be time to start heading in that direction ourselves.
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permalink #164 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 14 Jun 24 13:26
permalink #164 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 14 Jun 24 13:26
a question for linda and tim: did you two get what you had hoped for from this conversation?
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permalink #165 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 14 Jun 24 13:59
permalink #165 of 241: Linda Castellani (castle) Fri 14 Jun 24 13:59
What's more important to me is: Did you? Today is the first day of the 3rd International Philip K. Dick Festival in Fort Morgan, Colorado. Dickheads Podcast will be livestreaming tonight via Zoom, June 14th, with special guests Jonathan Lethem <jlethem> and Stephen Graham Jones, both New York Times Bestselling authors, with PKD trivia by Professor David Gill. https://us02web.zoom.us/j/9943453997?pwd=ZmZWSEs3TCtscC9sYVVmNjRLRHZUQT09&omn= 86013537008 6-8 PM Pacific 7-9 PM Mountain 8-10 PM Central 9-11 PM Eastern
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permalink #166 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 15:36
permalink #166 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 15:36
Hi, Paulina, Yes, I had a good time in this conversation -- got reminded of, or learned for the first time, some colorful things from those days! It's interesting to say, "Oh yeah, and remember when so-and-so said this?" and realize that you're talking about stuff that happened fifty years ago!
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permalink #167 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 14 Jun 24 15:59
permalink #167 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 14 Jun 24 15:59
in these situations i wonder tif he conveners (?) were left feeling 'this is all very well but interesting that we werent asked about...'
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permalink #168 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 20:54
permalink #168 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 20:54
Paulina -- Oh, maybe "He wrote several books during those last ten years -- was he a different guy when he was in the middle of writing one?"
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permalink #169 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 14 Jun 24 21:54
permalink #169 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Fri 14 Jun 24 21:54
hmm, trying to think how one might map what was going on with someone when s/he was intensely involved with a partic. act of creation. would seem hard to do...
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permalink #170 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 22:41
permalink #170 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 22:41
Paulina, true, God knows what was going on in his head! But the way he worked was incredible. When he was writing a book, he did virtually nothing else. In my journal I noted on August 14 of '76 that he had just finished "Valisystem A" (published as "Radio Free Albemuth"), having written it in eleven days. And on November 28 of '78, I note that he "had got busy" on "Valis (on that day he invited me over to read the first eight pages of it, and while I was reading and he was in the other room typing, he called to asked the spelling of "nuclear" and Eliot" -- it was nice to read the book and find the page he was writing while I was there!), which he finished in nine days. He must have eaten and slept sometimes! But given the way he wrote books, I think writing them was actually bad for his health!
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permalink #171 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 23:08
permalink #171 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Fri 14 Jun 24 23:08
(There was supposed to be a close-quote after Valis.
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permalink #172 of 241: Drew Trott (druid) Sat 15 Jun 24 09:36
permalink #172 of 241: Drew Trott (druid) Sat 15 Jun 24 09:36
) You're welcome. I've heard of other writers who worked like that. I think Simenon had some kind of thing about writing books in a single day. As someone who's always needed some externally-imposed structure to pursue a writing project for long, I envy and admire that kind of torrential outflowing of creative juices.
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permalink #173 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Sat 15 Jun 24 10:48
permalink #173 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Sat 15 Jun 24 10:48
Thanks, Drew! Yes, some of the old pulp writers used to be able to turn out stories at an incredible rate. Phil would have been doing nearly ten thousand words a day -- forty typed double-spaced pages. I could do that myself! -- if nobody demanded actual paragraphs and sentences.
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permalink #174 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 15 Jun 24 11:07
permalink #174 of 241: Paulina Borsook (loris) Sat 15 Jun 24 11:07
thinking of that capote comment about the beats: that's not writing, it's typing.
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permalink #175 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Sat 15 Jun 24 13:41
permalink #175 of 241: Tim Powers (tpowers) Sat 15 Jun 24 13:41
Paulina, if I were to try writing that fast, it would scarcely even be typing. PKD's mind worked much faster than mine!
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