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permalink #376 of 578: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Thu 7 Nov 24 16:55
permalink #376 of 578: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Thu 7 Nov 24 16:55
In PA we get email when our mail-in ballot arives and also when it's accepted.
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permalink #377 of 578: a (coiro) Thu 7 Nov 24 17:00
permalink #377 of 578: a (coiro) Thu 7 Nov 24 17:00
With full disclosure I didn't have the heart to read this closely, what little I did read made me bookmark it for later. Important analysis. Why Democrats Are Losing the Culture War The booming right-wing influencer ecosystem helped reelect Donald Trumpand the other side may not have an answer. By Spencer Kornhaber Excerpt: After all, the hottest commodity of todays online cultural ecosystem is open conflict. Chitchat on podcasts and livestreams is transfixing because its unruly, argumentative, and unafraid of causing offense. (Note how videos of dozens of voters engaged in free-for-all debates, produced by the media company Jubilee, took off this election cycle). Theoretically, its not hard to infiltrate the new conservative information environment: Rogan tried to talk to Harris, and the similarly influential podcaster Theo Von booked Bernie Sanders. But most Democratic surrogates seem stuck on a 20th-century performance style, defined by slick sound bites or soaring, cinematic monologues. They seem reluctant to do what these new formats require, which is fight. One example came when Rogan recently interviewed John Fetterman, the senator from Pennsylvania whose entire brand is allegedly being no-nonsense. Rogan presented him with the conspiracy theory that Democrats were importing undocumented immigrants to swing states, and planning to give them amnesty, in order to expand their voter pool. Fetterman could have debunked that idea in any number of ways, and forcefully. Instead he did what politicians have long been trained to do in contentious interviews: find a point of agreementyou know, immigration is always going to be a tough issue in this nationand change the subject. Rogan, and probably many of his listeners, took this gauziness as evidence that the conspiracy theory was right. The day before Rogan endorsed Trump, the podcaster posted the clip of the exchange with the note I think everyone should understand exactly what is happening. Gift link: <https://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive/2024/11/right-wing-influencers-tru mp-rogan/680575/?gift=1GQFLaQ1yhOu7hhb3PZC3GBoutfuQRsMRORD0TBzr8M&utm_source=c opy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share> I'm glad The Atlantic gives subscribers unlimited gift links, because I sure seem to share their stuff a lot.
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permalink #378 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:12
permalink #378 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:12
We - the Dems, the Left, the anti-Trump - need new leadership. The Squad has brought new life into resistance and plain speaking. Bernie, of course, never equivocates. Jamie Raskin is not unlike a god, afaic. But as a whole, I have zero faith that the Dems have it in them to pull on their shit-kicker boots and hold off Armageddon. What would organized, effective resistance look like? What are the limits to what can be accomplished in four years? Within that frame, what are realistic goals? I'm sorry to say my faith is - well, let's say I'm not brimming with optimism. But surely they can do more than "let's reach across the aisle".
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permalink #379 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:31
permalink #379 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:31
>What would organized, effective resistance look like? Like something we shouldn't discuss in public. If we can retake the House and have Jeffries as Speaker, we could have a line of succession strategy, anyway. There's still the logistical problem of removing the POTUS and VPOTUS, if you catch my meaning. There's discussion in the Senate about replacing Sotomayor on SCOTUS before Jan 3. I don't expect it to come to much, but it's being discussed. The GOP is also considering who they'll replace THomas and Alito with, and they're looking for even more conservative nominees. You may think they've hit bottom but they're digging hard. This, to me, is the most ominous portent of the incoming reich. The current majority is why the Blutocrats are going to get away with rounding up undesirables by the boxcar. If they get to fill Sotomayor's seat, it's only going to get worse, and for a generation.
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permalink #380 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:43
permalink #380 of 578: Emily Gertz (emilyg) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:43
I had this whole other thing ready to post, but now I'm going to consider your question, Angie, and axon's answer, instead.
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permalink #381 of 578: Rick Brown (danwest) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:55
permalink #381 of 578: Rick Brown (danwest) Fri 8 Nov 24 09:55
I don't know how to talk to my family who all voted for Trump. They don't care about my health insurance, lgbt rights, or anything. Happily I live no where near them. They say they love me. I don't believe it. My chosen family is much much better and shares my values. I suspended my facebook account, because for now, I just can't...
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permalink #382 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 10:41
permalink #382 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 10:41
God damn, that is heartbreaking. I'm so sorry, Rick.
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permalink #383 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 8 Nov 24 10:50
permalink #383 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 8 Nov 24 10:50
Such a damned shame. For a "family values" party, they sure are destroying a lot of them. Beams, brother.
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permalink #384 of 578: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Fri 8 Nov 24 10:50
permalink #384 of 578: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Fri 8 Nov 24 10:50
It's happening to a lot of people I know and also to me. People are having to re-think their interactions with so-called "loved ones" who maybe don't love them very much, after all.
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permalink #385 of 578: Trekked into Whoville (debunix) Fri 8 Nov 24 11:55
permalink #385 of 578: Trekked into Whoville (debunix) Fri 8 Nov 24 11:55
I'm really surprised by all the 'don't discuss resistance in an open forum'. Are you assuming the only effective resistance is violent or that discussions of methods of protest will put us all on FBI watch lists? Some resistance is most effective when it is open and public....
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permalink #386 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:02
permalink #386 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:02
I'm kind of surprised by it too. More on that, please? I'm thinking in terms of political strategies, nothing nefarious or for that matter hideable. The GOP made no secret of "we're gonna block Obama for four years", and god knows they were all too successful. What should the Dems do, and who are the leaders to get it done from both inside and outside the party? Emily, no reason we can't have two threads going at once here. It is after all The Well. ;) Just, whatever you do, don't cross the streams!
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permalink #387 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:25
permalink #387 of 578: E. Sweeney (sweeney) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:25
It's a reminder that Well users are used to posting in a more closed and controlled forum, and this topic is world-readable. That's all. You can interpret the reverb as you wish.
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permalink #388 of 578: Celia Chapman (lark) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:47
permalink #388 of 578: Celia Chapman (lark) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:47
It's a good reminder. I post personal things on the Well that I would not post on more public spaces. Good to remember this is a public space.
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permalink #389 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:52
permalink #389 of 578: Axon (axon) Fri 8 Nov 24 12:52
I have no confidence that there is a pure play political strategy that will prove effective. Liberals are not going to build a media bubble strategy like the right has. And even if we could, we may have just witnessed our last legit election. This is 1933 Germany now. I expect that the younger cohorts will coalesce around a defiance/noncompliance protest/general strike strategy, and I expect it will be met with violence, state sponsored as well as by self appointed keepers of the fascist faith. College campuses are the most likely venues for these skirmishes. At this point, civil disobedience is the deck we've been dealt, and as for cautions about discretion, nobody ever won at cards by showing their hand.
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permalink #390 of 578: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Fri 8 Nov 24 16:29
permalink #390 of 578: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Fri 8 Nov 24 16:29
>or that discussions of methods of protest will put us all on FBI watch >lists? Or get you swatted, doxxed, or attacked by MAGA supporters. I'm talking to some other LGC (Liberal Gun Club) members on a private forum about whether or not we want LGC stickers on our vehicles we drive to the range. My gun club is bipoc-friendly but other clubs have a lot of vehicles with MAGA/Trump or worse, white-power stickers. Not belonging to members but possibly guests of members or people attending an open-to-the-public competition.
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permalink #391 of 578: Tiffany (magdalen) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:11
permalink #391 of 578: Tiffany (magdalen) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:11
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permalink #392 of 578: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:28
permalink #392 of 578: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:28
> i can think of many ideals and social justice issues i'd consider shoving aside for a while Such as?
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permalink #393 of 578: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:29
permalink #393 of 578: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:29
I'm going to suggest that the best next steps are going to be small and local. Trump was elected by people whose needs and interests he has no intention of addressing. But people won't blame him for that; they'll just continue to be aggrieved. They are going to need help though, and small local efforts at organizing can perhaps minimize suffering and potentially represent a better base.
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permalink #394 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:31
permalink #394 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Fri 8 Nov 24 18:31
> if something that feels good to the average American happens while Trump is president That won't happen. > i can think of many ideals and social justice issues i'd consider shoving aside for a while, if only someone might stop this crushing feeling Like what? Does it involve Trans people? Same sex marriage?
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permalink #395 of 578: Tiffany (magdalen) Fri 8 Nov 24 19:51
permalink #395 of 578: Tiffany (magdalen) Fri 8 Nov 24 19:51
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permalink #396 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Fri 8 Nov 24 19:56
permalink #396 of 578: Larry Person (lperson) Fri 8 Nov 24 19:56
You may find that some people are not particularly receptive when other people talk about abandoning "many ideals and social justice issues" because it feels like you're turning your back. For your own comfort. Like a little more than half the country did a few days ago. People are terrified. I am terrified. It's easy to understand. Eggs were expensive so they chose fascism and untold suffering for their fellow Americans and human being across the globe. And they did that because they are horrible fucking people.
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permalink #397 of 578: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Fri 8 Nov 24 21:06
permalink #397 of 578: Elizabeth Churchill (leroyleroy) Fri 8 Nov 24 21:06
> hard to say How hard would it be to say if you had a trans child? Trump has said he plans to prosecute doctors, pharmacists, and parents who provide necessary health care for trans children. How hard would it be if they put you in jail and put your queer child into foster care where he would be forced to undergo conversion therapy? This is real, this is what they plan to do. As Larry said, people are terrified. Im terrified.
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permalink #398 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 8 Nov 24 21:42
permalink #398 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 8 Nov 24 21:42
When I'm fearful I try to think in terms of love and compassion instead. But it would be better not to have to fear the government of my own country. I heard an online stream from AOC tonight, and one thing she mentioned was the importance of community. We here on the WELL have an online community that still works after almost 40 years, a place where we have conversations like this all the time. The sense of community is real and it's deep - something you don't get from conversations on corporate social media platforms. One thing we can do is share with the world how this community works and sustains itself, to provide a model for those who want do do the same.
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permalink #399 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 8 Nov 24 22:00
permalink #399 of 578: Inkwell Co-Host (jonl) Fri 8 Nov 24 22:00
We scribbled (deleted) a post that should not have been made - I won't get into the particulars of why we scribbled. However it's important to remember that this is a world-readable discussion, and we shouldn't share private information about other participants without their permission.
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permalink #400 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 22:22
permalink #400 of 578: a (coiro) Fri 8 Nov 24 22:22
It's interesting to contrast - in light of Jon's point - my current experience on BlueSky. Despite what I'm about to share, I like it a lot. It's not Twitter in so many ways, not least of which is a paucity of Nazis. However. It's free, anyone can join, and no one is required to state and document that they are who they say they are. Every day I'm getting hit on by guys who only follow women - and a LOT of women. I'm following people who claim to be from Gaza, and follow immediately prompts a DM with a GoFundMe link to help their alleged family, children, escape, whatever. Maybe they're real. More likely, some are, and some are grifters. The point is, I don't know. I know who people are here. They make their statements and stand behind them. Norms are established and respected - you wanna play Creepy Weird Man, you will be at least isolated, possibly even shown the door. I loved what I got out of the original Twitter. I'm eager to recreate it, thus my sojourn into BlueSky. But my fresh experience there does point up the difference between the Well and commercial social entities. Community is at the very least a coping mechanism for a time like this. It has and can again be fertile ground for resistance. Meanwhile, more political news: Democratic Sen. Jacky Rosen has won re-election in Nevada, NBC News projects, defeating Republican Sam Brown and holding on to an important seat for her party in a swing state. The victory gives the first-term Rosen another six years in the Senate, continuing Democrats winning streak in a state that has become increasingly competitive on the federal level. <https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/jacky-rosen-win-nevada-senate-e lection-sam-brown-rcna173878>
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