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Topic 524: John Markoff, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Stewart Brand, with Howard Rheingold
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John Markoff, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Stewart Brand, with Howard Rheingold
permalink #51 of 141: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 26 Jan 23 11:46
permalink #51 of 141: Andrew Alden (alden) Thu 26 Jan 23 11:46
Wow.
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permalink #52 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Thu 26 Jan 23 11:46
permalink #52 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Thu 26 Jan 23 11:46
<49>. His big shift on Fuller happened very early on. Of course Fullers view that the way you change the world was to give someone a tool and then teach them how to use it, and that was foundational for the Whole Earth Catalog. You can see Fullers worldview in the opening passages and in the structure of the catalog. By the time he shut down the Catalog in 1971, Brand had shifted his outlook from Fullers engineering-centric worldview to Gregory Batesons ecological outlook. Reading Steps Toward and Ecology of Mind while on a visit to the East Coast shook Brand out of his originally orientation and would become the framing principle underlying the Coevolution Quarterly which he created upon settling in Sausalito.
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permalink #53 of 141: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Thu 26 Jan 23 11:47
permalink #53 of 141: Jennifer Powell (jnfr) Thu 26 Jan 23 11:47
A free-for-all discussion among untrained people is the worst possible venue to attempt consensus decision-making.
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permalink #54 of 141: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Thu 26 Jan 23 12:45
permalink #54 of 141: Howard Rheingold (hlr) Thu 26 Jan 23 12:45
Did Stewart get into detail not covered in the book about how psychedelics influenced his worldview?
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permalink #55 of 141: Administrivia (jonl) Thu 26 Jan 23 14:33
permalink #55 of 141: Administrivia (jonl) Thu 26 Jan 23 14:33
There's a problem with the short link that we shared earlier in the conversation. Here's a new short link for social media (etc.) shares: <https://tinyurl.com/Brand-Whole-Earth>
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permalink #56 of 141: Administrivia (jonl) Thu 26 Jan 23 14:37
permalink #56 of 141: Administrivia (jonl) Thu 26 Jan 23 14:37
I should note that the earlier version of the full link also had a problem, this is the correct link to the first page of this discussion: <https://people.well.com/conf/inkwell.vue/topics/524/John-Markoff-Whole-Earth-T he-Man-page01.html>.
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permalink #57 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Thu 26 Jan 23 14:59
permalink #57 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Thu 26 Jan 23 14:59
<54> Stewart in the early sixties and Stewart today on the value of psychedelics are two very different creatures. I think he has said publicly and frequently that by 1969 he had gotten everything out of LSD possible and walked away (once again just as many of us were arriving. That said, there was a period when he was a true believer. His letters to his father defending psychedelic use are very clear and of the I wont back down mindset. Later on his dependence on nitrous oxide contributed significantly to the deep depression he feel into as the Whole Earth Catalog workload became unbearable and his marriage to Lois Jennings began to disintegrate. He decided to get married to Jennings on the night of the acid test graduation. He decided it was time to get on with the rest of his life. Later when he showed Kesey Engelbarts NLS system at SRI, Keseys reaction was that computing would be.the next thing after acid. Stewart showcased that thought in the opening paragraph of his SpaceWar! Rolling Stone article. Today I think he has a bit of an eye roll attitude to the significance we all attached to the insights we achieved with
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permalink #58 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:28
permalink #58 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:28
Psychedelics .
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John Markoff, Whole Earth: The Many Lives of Stewart Brand, with Howard Rheingold
permalink #59 of 141: Evelyn Pine (evy) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:29
permalink #59 of 141: Evelyn Pine (evy) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:29
I do think that Magdalen's point in 45 is an interesting one. One man's moving ahead of the curve is one woman's being a flake or magpie. It's also the case that beginnings are often seen/often feel like what's supposed to be interesting, where actually sticking with things for years and years can be fascinating (or a nightmare.) I definitely get the "eyeroll" over psychedelic insight, but it is interesting the move to legalize and therapize it these days.
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permalink #60 of 141: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:36
permalink #60 of 141: J Matisse Enzer (matisse) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:36
Evy slipped in First: Howard wow! I had no idea about that motivation for the MWEC. Excellent. Second: John I want to ask about your perception (if any) of Stewart as a contrarian. I had two experiences with him personally in this regard that have stayed with me. One was at a meeting at Colossal Pictures where the future of the company was being discussed and Stewart said more or less one option is to close it down and the other was in (I think) 1994 or 95 when I had started being a freelance Internet consultant teaching people about the Internet and a San Francisco political, Republican, firm wanted to engage me. I abhorred their politics but was torn about what to do. The California democrats had told me they were not interested. I called Stewart for advice knowing of his history with the Brown administration. Stewart told me to do the gig because the only way the dems would learn was by losing. I couldnt do it. Bit Ive always thought of Stewart as the guy who would calmly pitch the antithesis. Whats your experience or view on this?
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permalink #61 of 141: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:51
permalink #61 of 141: Renshin Bunce (renshin) Thu 26 Jan 23 20:51
Evy and Magdalen, responding to One man's moving ahead of the curve is one woman's being a flake or magpie, one thing that hit me between the eyes when I read the book was, Brand seemed to move in a world composed entirely of men. He had girlfriends and wives, but men were absolutely where the action was
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permalink #62 of 141: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Thu 26 Jan 23 22:08
permalink #62 of 141: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Thu 26 Jan 23 22:08
interesting. i wonder if Stewart, like the Diggers and Beats and many others of the era, had a whole lot of women making things happen for him, behind the scenes. (i highly recommend, for those interested in how culture happens, reading Jay Babcock's interviews with Diggers from the last decade or so; he goes out of his way to include women who were enormously influential, but who weren't necessarily celebrated by the media back in the day. https://diggersdocs.org/ )
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permalink #63 of 141: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Thu 26 Jan 23 22:09
permalink #63 of 141: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Thu 26 Jan 23 22:09
and! that story about the money and Moore -- WILD! i love it.
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permalink #64 of 141: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Fri 27 Jan 23 06:51
permalink #64 of 141: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Fri 27 Jan 23 06:51
Here's what the somewhat over-the-top critique of Brand in The Nation said about this: "Here the reader starts to sense the contours of a black hole at the center of Markoffs narrative. Throughout the book, people who meet Stewart Brand often disappear from his life so fast that its as if they were repelled by an unseen force. He had his own car and off-campus spot, but aside from a pay-to-play adventure on a summer trip to Paris, Brand remained sexually frustrated into his 20s, sending his sole female friend of note a letter calling her a bitch when she declined a romantic relationship. His male friendships faded about as fast. In a place where similarly bright-eyed young men of all sorts formed ambitious lifelong partnerships with their chums, Stewartwho had access to plenty of resources and could have used the disciplined focus of a contrasting partnerdidnt...."
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permalink #65 of 141: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 27 Jan 23 08:38
permalink #65 of 141: Ari Davidow (ari) Fri 27 Jan 23 08:38
If that's the review I remember from several months ago, that was less a review than an anti-Brand screed.
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permalink #66 of 141: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Fri 27 Jan 23 08:50
permalink #66 of 141: Tom Valovic (tvacorn) Fri 27 Jan 23 08:50
John as long as were talking about the article in The Nation, I wonder if you could comment on it. In my own view, the article was too harshly written and painted a picture of Brand that we can charitably call less than flattering. But in reading your own book, I found myself struggling to find aspects of his earlier life that made him stand out as someone with a fierce dedication to even a few quasi-idealistic principles, someone to admire perhaps for courageously attempting to change the contours of contemporary thought based on a set of foundational values. Interesting? Yes very. Inspiring? Perhaps a different story. One hesitates to call him an opportunist as the article in the Nation seems to be saying. And the question still remains (as I alluded to earlier) how can someone with obviously bedrock core conservative values position themselves to be widely perceived as someone leading the deep social and cultural transformation of the 60s and 70s? I certainly, for a time at least, had that perception until in writing Digital Mythologies, my research turned up countervailing evidence. In this sense, Brand seems part chameleon, changing his value systems to suit opportunities and situations. How else to explain why he ended up working for the CIA and an oil company (an issue I brought up earlier which Im still hoping youll address at some point.) The article in The Nation was also overly harsh because, I think, it didnt give Brand full credit for his influence in some very important cultural transitions, whether we believe those transitions to be ultimately beneficial or not. He was certainly what Ill call a Zeitgeist explorer and by being at the forefront of various historically important cultural shifts, he perhaps acted as a catalyst to those shifts. He also seemed to be in those earlier times a connector as Malcolm Gladwell described this role in his books and articles --- a connector of people and ideas. In this sense I must disagree with the article in the Nation that he doesnt deserve a role as a key figure in a short-term historical context. Further, Brand was also able to attract talented individuals around him that made strong, thoughtful, and solid intellectual contributions to his publications and generally added a certain cachet of rigor to the loosely defined values of the sixties.(Ill include Howard in this number even though he and I disagree strongly on the subject of transhumanism.)
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permalink #67 of 141: John Coate (tex) Fri 27 Jan 23 08:55
permalink #67 of 141: John Coate (tex) Fri 27 Jan 23 08:55
Stewart turned me on to so many ideas, people, books, tools and theories I couldn't begin to count them all. And that was all before I started working there. I have been deeply involved in the 'counterculture' since I was a teen in the 60s. I don't care what some Nation writer thinks about his influence. I saw that influence with my own eyes over decades. It was very large indeed.
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permalink #68 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 11:21
permalink #68 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 11:21
<60> I had originally wanted to title the biography Floating Upstream, taking from a bit of Brand family wisdom: if you toss a Brand in the river, they will float upstream. So yesterday there is a strong tradition of contrarianism in his family which he inherited. He described learning the lesson in high school that the way to standout was go where others werent, as a why to achieve without having to directly compete. His break with the environmental movement is probably the clearest example his shift on nuclear power and GMO food led to him being ostracized by friends an allies.
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permalink #69 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 11:36
permalink #69 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 11:36
<62> On the question of whether Stewart had a whole lot of women making things happen for him, behind the scenes . Stewart came of age during the 50s, a decade before my generation. I think it is worthwhile examining his first marriage to Lois Jennings. At the 50th anniversary of the Whole Earth Catalog Stewart acknowledged that Lois should be seen as the Whole Earth Catalog co-founder. In their marriage and at the Truck Store much was played out before the impact of the feminist movement. They had traditional values and a traditional division of labor, where Lois would do the housework (mostly in a small trailer). At the Truck Store she was clearly the COO, organizing the workers and keeping the books. It was made somewhat more palatable because they had a very egalitarian pay structure everyone was paid the same amount. In the seventies Stewart broke free of his marriage in part because of all the various aspects of the sexual revolution and, knowing that a number of the women he was involved with were extremely independent and outspoken feminists, I would have to say it was more complicated.
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permalink #70 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 12:19
permalink #70 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 12:19
<64> Let me break my response to Toms questions based on the Malcolm Harris Nation review into two parts, one about the review and one about Stewart. Reviews of Whole Earth generally fell into two categories, reviewers who were writing about the book were virtually uniformly positive, on the other hand in reviews where the reviewers had issues with Stewart, I was usually collateral damage. For example, the New York Times reviewer, a Princeton environmental historian, couldnt get Stewarts about-face on nuclear power out of his craw, and the book suffered according. The Malcolm Harris review is an outlier, but I find it fascinating for reasons that may not be obvious to most of you. Both Harris and I grew up in Palo Alto and we both attended Palo Alto High School about four decades apart. Next month Harris is publishing a book titled Palo Alto which purports to be a takedown of global capitalism. The book is interesting for a number of reasons, one being that it is the second of these self-loathing compilations (the first written by actor James Franco who also graduated from Palo Alto High School at roughly the same time as Harris is a collection of short stories). Both describe a place that I dont recognize. The immense accumulation of wealth that happened beginning in the 1990s in Silicon Valley seems to have bred a generation of upper-middle class white kids who have both a dark view of the world and their own homes. The Harris attack on Brand is poorly written and poorly reasoned, wrong on many points of fact and without any real understanding of the era that he writes about. Harris clearly sees himself as a young Christopher Hitchens, while lacking the intellectual chops, sense of irony or humor to pull it off. A bit of interesting history about his ethical background can be found by anyone who wants to look at his behavior as an Occupy Wall Street activist.
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permalink #71 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 12:52
permalink #71 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 12:52
<66> To Toms broader question about Stewarts bedrock values and whether he is a chameleon in a moral sense. In What the Dormouse Said I described Brand as a Zelig. As his biographer I came to feel that was inappropriate and do think there is an ethical through-line has been consistent through all of Stewarts adventures and mis-adventures. The most important and most consistent piece of Brands worldview is the Outdoor Life Pledge, taken at age 8: I give my pledge as an American to save and faithfully to defend from waste the natural resources of my countryits soil and minerals, its forests, waters, and wildlife. This is an explicitly activist articulation of a set of values that have framed much of Stewarts life. Is it bedrock conservatism? Hardly. Brand would call it conservationism in distinction from environmentalism. It is clearly not John Muirs view of protecting the natural world. It is much more akin to Gifford Pinchots notions of active management of the natural world. When I try to pin down where I think Stewart should fall on the political spectrum, I keep coming back to Jerry Brown. Where do you place him?
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permalink #72 of 141: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 27 Jan 23 13:16
permalink #72 of 141: Paul Belserene (paulbel) Fri 27 Jan 23 13:16
Thank you, John. It strikes me that Stewart Brand and Barack Obama both suffer (if that's the right verb) from the expectations of their followers. We wanted Obama to be way more progressive than he was, and we want Steward to be a "visionary". Both deserve our admiration and respect but don't deserve either our mythologizing or our attacks for not being the heroes we wanted to make them out to be.
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permalink #73 of 141: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 27 Jan 23 13:20
permalink #73 of 141: Andrew Alden (alden) Fri 27 Jan 23 13:20
I think of both Brand and Brown as paleoliberals.
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permalink #74 of 141: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Fri 27 Jan 23 14:59
permalink #74 of 141: Tiffany Lee Brown / Burning Tarot (magdalen) Fri 27 Jan 23 14:59
and that coming from a geologist! very nice, alden. > At the > 50th anniversary of the Whole Earth Catalog Stewart acknowledged > that Lois should be seen as the Whole Earth Catalog co-founder. as a former Well employee and Whole Earth Review contributor, i was extremely sad to miss the 50th anniversary. (for those who were miffed at me for not turning up, after i'd, say, urged you to fly in from the other countries where you now live? i couldn't explain then but i can now: i had severe mold illness and mold sensitivities at that time, so it was hard to travel. a "mold-safe" house had been offered for me to stay in: the home of our <wickett>. but then, bam, she found out about her cancer, and she didn't want me to tell anyone else about her diagnosis. i then got a cold, and didn't want to potentially infect <wickett> with it. and that is the story of how i never got to stay with dear <wickett> before her far too early death, and how i missed the 50th.) i'm glad to hear Stewart acknowledged Lois at the event. i wasn't necessarily pointing to any particular relationship or to Stewart per se, just noting that men who sometimes appear to be great pillars of loner genius visionary strength, etc., were not always so, and that the real leaders/workers behind the scenes have sometimes been women. given <renshin>'s comment on the maleness of the book's cast of characters, it would indeed be interesting to hear any stories about women being involved.
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permalink #75 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 15:52
permalink #75 of 141: John Markoff (johnm) Fri 27 Jan 23 15:52
<73> "Paleoliberal" Wow. I had to look it up.. :) according to Urban Dictionary: paleoliberal Old school, pre-1960's style liberal; center-left populist. A paleoliberal typically espouses the following: 1. protection of the right of workers to organize and bargain collectively 2. protection of the interests of the underdog against the whims of the powerful. 3. supports the right to individual privacy within reasonable limits; does not include abortion rights (see definition #2) or gay marriage, but does include keeping the government from snooping on your reading habits. 4. The right for minorities to be free from discrimination in employment, housing, public accomodations, etc., thus protecting their rights from the tyranny of the majority without diluting majority rule. 5. the inherent, affirmative right to vote and have your votes counted as you intended, without interference from fraudulently programmed voting machines designed to "flip" votes. 6. The right to life means the right to a decent life, for both born and unborn. Paleoliberals don't divorce the sanctity of life from the quality of life, unlike Christofascists or left-liberals. 7. May or may not support the death penalty, although I personally oppose it except for war criminals, deposed dictators, wartime traitors, and/or serial killers who pose an escape risk. 8. Embrace gender equity. Man and woman are to be treated as equals under the eyes of the law and their differences are to be respected, not derided.
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