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permalink #101 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:26
permalink #101 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:26
When I was 18 or so I wrote poet Allen Ginsberg, sending a poem and a letter the nature of which I don't recall exactly, but I think I was making the kinds of complaints 18-year-old boys usually have as they take their first cautious steps into the larger world. Ginsberg sent me a postcard - he said he liked my poem, and as for what he referred to as the "peter pan yak" in my letter, he suggested that I take up dyhana meditation. I had read about Zen and zazen, and figured that would be a path to follow. But I didn't find a teacher, and I wasn't consistent in my practice.
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permalink #102 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:26
permalink #102 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:26
Around 1971 or 72 I found Shunryu Suzuki's book "Zen Mind, Beginner's Mind" - a transcription of his talks with some instruction about meditation and Soto zen. This little book had a profound effect on me, and I followed his meditation instructions from then on, but not regularly until some years later. You can teach meditation form, but I think it's hard to guide and impossible to perceive what's happening within a student's mind. And it's hard to know if you're on the right path if you don't have a teacher... so it can take a long time and requires much study and insight to make an effective practice. After 50 years of meditation, hopefully I have some sense of the dharma. I hope I'm not deluding myself, especially as there is so much delusion elsewhere in the world.
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permalink #103 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:27
permalink #103 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:27
I follow two Buddhists - you might think of them as rogue months, since both have left the monastery and created a following for their regular talks on YouTube. One is Brad Warner, who's written many books explaining Buddhism and, more specifically, Dogen's teaching. He calls himself a punk, was in a band called 0DFx (Zero Defex) when he was younger, worked in Japan for with Tsuburaya Productions (the company that made UltraMan), and was ordained in 2000. His first book and his website are both called "Hardcore Zen." The full title of that first book is "Hardcore Zen: Punk Rock, Monster Movies & the Truth About Reality." The other guy is Shozan Jack Haubner, who's also written a couple of books. I'm less familiar with his hisurtory - I discovered him through his friendship and soft collaboration with Warner. Neither is following what you might call a traditional path, and I suppose that's why I'm paying attention to them vs attending one of the Zen centers here in Austin or becoming more involved with Upaya in Santa Fe. The reality at the root of Buddhist teaching is just reality, it doesn't depend on Buddhist teaching or ritual. Someone who's never heard of Buddhism is living in/with the same reality and has the same potential to work through delusion toward understanding/insight. At least that's my opinion... as they say, "your mileage may vary."
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permalink #104 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:27
permalink #104 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:27
Delusion is thought of as pathology - DSM-5 describes delusions as "fixed beliefs that are not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence." But we all have fixed beliefs that are contradicted by evidence that we tend to dismiss. With a lot of meditation practice you begin to see this more clearly, and you learn to let go of fixed beliefs and judgements based on those beliefs. And you begin to understand the limitations of mind, thinking, memory. And you might see more clearly the potentially toxic effects of belief systems.
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permalink #105 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:27
permalink #105 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 08:27
Those who seek power can colonize and manipulate belief systems in order to create armies of sworn allegiance, ready to deride, and even torture and kill, other humans. They just need a pathway into their thinking - and currently there are many pathways via forms of media, especially including socioal media. Information services that can as readily be disinformation services. Understanding tricks of messaging and gamification, one can create armies of dedicated followers and those armies are a source of political power... Those who take time to let go, to understand their own thinking, to connect to what Buddhists call "emptiness," can inoculate to some extent against viral hacks of mind and belief. Try sitting for a few minutes, quietly, letting thoughts come and go without grasping, without believing. Just breathe.
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permalink #106 of 157: Slanketpilled hammockmaxer (doctorow) Mon 6 Jan 25 09:31
permalink #106 of 157: Slanketpilled hammockmaxer (doctorow) Mon 6 Jan 25 09:31
@mcdee/99 > "If a service is free, you are the product!" ;-) Emoji notwithstanding, I think this is really, really wrong: https://pluralistic.net/2024/08/17/hack-the-planet/#how-about-a-nice-game-of-c hess The people who buy those Google ads? They pay more every year for worse ad-targeting and more ad-fraud. Those publishers paying to nonconsensually cram their content into your Facebook feed? They have to do that because FB suppresses their ability to reach the people who actually subscribed to them. The Amazon sellers with the best match for your query have to outbid everyone else just to show up on the first page of results. It costs so much to sell on Amazon that between 45 and 51% of every dollar an independent seller brings in has to be kicked up to Don Bezos and the Amazon crime family. Those sellers dont have the kind of margins that let them pay 51%. They have to raise prices in order to avoid losing money on every sale. "But wait!" I hear you say! "But wait! Things on Amazon arent more expensive that things at Target, or Walmart, or at a mom and pop store, or direct from the manufacturer. "How can sellers be raising prices on Amazon if the price at Amazon is the same as at is everywhere else?" Thats right, they charge more everywhere. They have to. Amazon binds its sellers to a policy called most favored nation status, which says they cant charge more on Amazon than they charge elsewhere, including direct from their own factory store. So every seller that wants to sell on Amazon has to raise their prices everywhere else. Now, these sellers are Amazons best customers. Theyre paying for the product, and theyre still getting screwed. Paying for the product doesnt fill your vapid bosss shriveled heart with so much joy that he decides to stop trying to think of ways to fuck you over. Look at Apple. Remember when Apple offered every Ios user a one-click opt out for app-based surveillance? And 96% of users clicked that box? (The other four percent were either drunk or Facebook employees or drunk Facebook employees.) That cost Facebook at least ten billion dollars per year in lost surveillance revenue? I mean, you love to see it. But did you know that at the same time Apple started spying on Ios users in the same way that Facebook had been, for surveillance data to use to target users for its competing advertising product? Your Iphone isnt an ad-supported gimme. You paid a thousand fucking dollars for that distraction rectangle in your pocket, and youre still the product. Whats more, Apple has rigged Ios so that you cant mod the OS to block its spying. If youre not paying for the product, youre the product, and if you are paying for the product, youre still the product. Just ask the farmers who are expected to swap parts into their own busted, half-million dollar, mission-critical tractors, but cant actually use those parts until a technician charges them $200 to drive out to the farm and type a parts pairing unlock code into their console. John Deeres not giving away tractors. Give John Deere a half mil for a tractor and you will be the product. Please, my brothers and sisters in Christ. Please! Stop saying if youre not paying for the product, youre the product.
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permalink #107 of 157: Paulina Borsook (loris) Mon 6 Jan 25 10:17
permalink #107 of 157: Paulina Borsook (loris) Mon 6 Jan 25 10:17
<bruces>, it's for surfacing people like zivkovic that i dearly love what you have long done in these SOTW
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permalink #108 of 157: JD Work (hstspect) Mon 6 Jan 25 10:41
permalink #108 of 157: JD Work (hstspect) Mon 6 Jan 25 10:41
There is a fascinating intersection between enshittification, and the lock in that drives this ever further down the slope, and the problems of war that are now emerging. The cloud based connectivity requirement and authentication lockdowns of everything from tractors to commercial air carrier components and maritime navigation systems had serious impacts on the Russian economy when sanctions suddenly cut off everything they thought was holding up the more modern parts of their economy. In reacting to this, they created a rather bizarre conceptual framework to understand what folks here call weaponized interdependence, from a very clearly losing side. Russian military theorists just dropped it all into that amorphous and endlessly argued category of cyberwar. And then, having decided this was a warfare function, promptly appear to have assigned some of their best offensive cyber capabilities developers to break these dependencies. Now, for a national economy facing existential level surprise disconnect from global commerce, this likely made a lot of sense. But it also meant that their limited talent base to conduct real offensive operations lost a step. This was doubly problematic when they also decided that they needed to withhold a strategic escalation option, below the nuclear threshold, in an attempt to hold at risk European and US targets as a mechanism to limit Western involvement in the conflict. This has continued to be a serious area of tension, as administrations jockey to find appropriate levels and type of lethal aid to support Kyiv without triggering wider theatre war. This becomes a lot harder as strikes against the Rodina itself have become increasingly credible, in both kinetic and cyber effects. It is one thing in the murky world of Russian milbloggers and mercenaries to see prominent figures die in unclaimed hits, whether involving an IED carried into a cafe or an unknown encounter with a hammer alone in the dark. It is another to see military officers ambushed and shot on their morning runs, tracked by fitness app data streams; or struck by apparent directional charges coming out of ordinary buildings that perhaps no one was supposed to know they were at. But it is another when power plants, refineries, and drone production factories start breaking. Whilst squadrons of strike UAVs rain down across multiple cities, including Moscow. And along the way, the fight over who controls those hunter killer machines becomes the most critical part of the cyberwar. Especially as the introduction of fiber optic control systems has removed much of the EW contest that previously played no small part in determining who lived and who died at the front. And who profited from primitive engineering and substandard parts in fleecing the barely changed former Soviet design bureaus supplying talismanic black boxen to those condemned to human wave assaults. These don't lend themselves to the kinds of character centered narratives that Bruce so expertly crafts. These are sordid matters of bloody ends at scale. Each single op might have been a major Hollywood production in a time of small wars. But high intensity conflict robs us of the ability to keep track, let alone make sense of, the number of moments where hard men go to the wall. The sad part is that we risk also losing sight of the heroes that come through. The fraud and waste of the Soviet defense establishment creates barely functional air defense systems that cannot discriminate between a small drone and a full sized civilian airframe, in an EW saturated environment that is as much performative rather than protective. Yet somehow a doomed pilot and crew manage to save lives, when the enemy intended them all to perish in a watery grave deep enough to hide the evidence of reckless surface to air missile fires. There isn't a manual for such moments. Only experience and airmanship saw them through. The aftermath is also not something one expected to be a very contemporary story, since we have already seen it play out with another badly trained crew engaging a civilian flight, for whom accountability meant only a long and drawn out proceeding in a quietly impotent European courtroom. Perhaps this time around might however be different, in the harder way of this new decade.
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permalink #109 of 157: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 6 Jan 25 12:15
permalink #109 of 157: Mark McDonough (mcdee) Mon 6 Jan 25 12:15
<107> Point taken. The power of monopoly and near-monopolies is all around us.
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permalink #110 of 157: Craig Maudlin (clm) Mon 6 Jan 25 14:14
permalink #110 of 157: Craig Maudlin (clm) Mon 6 Jan 25 14:14
"The WELL: fighting cognitive malware since 1984"
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permalink #111 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 15:07
permalink #111 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Mon 6 Jan 25 15:07
Citizens of various countries have elected authoritarian leaders, evidently disillusioned with democracy, thinking it's failed to deliver on economic or social promises. No pure form of democracy exists anywhere I know of; it's probably silly to argue the loss of something you didn't really have, that barely works, that's usually more an intention or aspiration than a reality. But as Churchill said, all the other forms of governance are worse, including authoritarianism, where leaders lack accountability, and dependence is on a single leader - a single point of failure, relying on coercion and fear. Authoritarians have short-term focus and prioritize their power grab over sane and reasonable governance. But people make that choice, hoping for better stability and safety, misled by manipulated media, sucked in by charismatic personality. So we have Trump in the USA, Orban in Hungary, Erdogan in Turkey, Modi in India, and of course Putin in Russia. Orban is a guiding light for the US MAGA movement. He centralized control over media, the judiciary, and the electoral system, and MAGA Republicans in the US have been attempting the same. There's similar focus on nationalism, anti-immigration policies, and dubious promises of economic stability. This authoritarian strain has been present all along in the US, but it historically hasn't had a long-term grasp of power. I think we're about to learn, yet again, why that is.
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permalink #112 of 157: Axon (axon) Mon 6 Jan 25 15:38
permalink #112 of 157: Axon (axon) Mon 6 Jan 25 15:38
>why that is Because they are unimaginative, indolent, incompetent, and corrupt, not necessarily in that order, although each leads unerringly to the next.
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permalink #113 of 157: John Coate (tex) Mon 6 Jan 25 18:43
permalink #113 of 157: John Coate (tex) Mon 6 Jan 25 18:43
I think of this current era as the golden age of bullshit, which is about to enter a period of full flowering, but with real teeth. I have a few old friends who aren't really MAGA but they did vote for Trump. These are kind, accomplished loving family people. They know full well what this GOP is about. And yet they went for it anyway, even while bearing no personal resemblance to the loathsome cretins we tend to see posted about. I hope at some point to probe more into how people like that can make such an appalling choice, but I'm not yet sure how well I can keep my composure should I attempt it. But it has to play out. I hope the collateral damage isn't too bad along the way. Many will be badly hurt as the white Christian male dominance asserts itself yet again. But then I am an old white man. Not likely to be personally harmed by this other than still having to live in a society that chooses a death path. Because that is what it is. I know..sounds like sky is falling talk and we have weathered it all before and will again. But the population keep rising, the resources keep shrinking and the planet keep heating up. The only possible way forward is unprecedented global cooperation. Not happening. Not enough anyway. Meanwhile, Ukraine, Gaza, Sudan, etc. Being for peace and love - war is over if you want it - sounds so simple minded. But I do want it. Wishful thinking from an old flower child? Guilty as charged.
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permalink #114 of 157: jelly fish challenged (reet) Mon 6 Jan 25 19:03
permalink #114 of 157: jelly fish challenged (reet) Mon 6 Jan 25 19:03
With you all the way, there, tex. Peace out.
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permalink #115 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:15
permalink #115 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:15
"And who profited from primitive engineering and substandard parts in fleecing the barely changed former Soviet design bureaus supplying talismanic black boxen to those condemned to human wave assaults." I like the way that sentence sounds (because as a cyberpunk novelist obviously I would), but the Ukrainian Navy has just announced that they have invented little naval drone aircraft carriers that can ship some armed aerial drones and then deploy them on enemy shores. I kinda doubt that this modern hack much upsets the military balance-of-power, but if you're some paranoid drone-fearing guy in some port city who's nervously watching the unidentified lights in the sky all the time, you've got some exciting new reasons to be publicly paranoid.
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permalink #116 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:17
permalink #116 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:17
Also, the very first announced targets for these Ukrainian aircraft-carrier drones were some Russian anti-aircraft radars. So that the Russians will be blind, and they won't know what's whirring and buzzing and blinking-around up there, and they'll have to fret and worry about it all the damn time.
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permalink #117 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:48
permalink #117 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:48
"AI as shoggoth analogies have fallen out of favor in tech circles" Yes indeed, the shoggoths have lost their cachet with the VC crowd and their courtiers, but the shoggoths also became popular. I happen to collect shoggoth memes. I've got over 300 of them. The pace of their creation is accelerating. https://www.flickr.com/photos/brucesterling/albums/72177720306793767/ The shoggoths are no longer seen as immediate forces of AI-Singularity world-destruction, but they're blending in with many other popular meme-elements, like everyday crypto stuff and macho 4chan brags.
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permalink #118 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:50
permalink #118 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:50
Something about the hundred-year-old Lovecraftian concept of shoggoths seems to have modern resonance -- maybe because shoggoths are so very "Gray Ooze." In Lovecraft's original cosmic-horror concepts, the shoggoths are an enslaved labor-force, but they're radically debased and deprived of any stable biological form. They're a big puddle of mix-and-match scary-monster eyes, and fangs, and tentacles, which bonelessly pop-up and percolate. They're not even a proper "species" which might be studied by scholars and categorized. Shoggoths are so frighteningly oozy, mongrelized, destabilized and deconstructed that that the very sight of them causes near-instinctive human panic and madness.
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permalink #119 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:51
permalink #119 of 157: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Tue 7 Jan 25 00:51
Even though shoggoths are a boneless, skinless chimeric swamp, a kind of gelatinous operative-platform for mulched monster-bits, they're also big, aggressive and fast, and will rip your head off as soon as look at you. This mythic-monster concept has some strange niche appeal to modern people. There's always been some shoggoth-fandom, because Lovecraft is as old as Walt Disney and his creatures have a rather similar long-abiding international fandom. But there's a new and different shoggoth-fandom now; they find the prospect of Lovecraftian cosmic destruction to be cute. Shoggoths have become perversely reassuring somehow. People make plushies and throw-pillows out of them.
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permalink #120 of 157: Sigmundur Halldorsson (jonl) Tue 7 Jan 25 07:21
permalink #120 of 157: Sigmundur Halldorsson (jonl) Tue 7 Jan 25 07:21
Via email from Sigmundur Halldorsson: How much worse is Meta going to get? The latest announcement from Zuck: "It's time to get back to our roots around free expression. We're replacing fact checkers with Community Notes, simplifying our policies and focusing on reducing mistakes. Looking forward to this next chapter." <https://www.facebook.com/zuck/videos/1525382954801931/> Finding facts in the AI sloop and bots on social media will be a struggle, but this is the wrong approach to information quality. It's become abundantly clear that the pollution of the information stream is no lesser issue than the water pollution a few decades ago.
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permalink #121 of 157: John Coate (tex) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:00
permalink #121 of 157: John Coate (tex) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:00
2 weeks until Trump II. He is who he is. But with this upcoming coterie of rapacious thugs it is gonna be one nasty sequel.
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permalink #122 of 157: John Coate (tex) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:01
permalink #122 of 157: John Coate (tex) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:01
According to Mark Cuban, the real reason all his billionaire tech peers are sucking up to Trump with tribute money is so they can move unimpeded toward their desire to be the dominant AI driven platform.
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permalink #123 of 157: John Coate (tex) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:16
permalink #123 of 157: John Coate (tex) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:16
I also think that even if the DOJ reports from Jack Smith get officially repressed, they will get leaked like the Pentagon Papers. Might not matter to those who voted for Trump, but in the arc of history it matters a lot.
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permalink #124 of 157: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:30
permalink #124 of 157: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:30
> Something about the hundred-year-old Lovecraftian concept of > shoggoths seems to have modern resonance... Possibly because Lovecraft was nature's way of showing us that human neural networks could be trained to generate hallucinations vastly more frightening than today's AI ?
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permalink #125 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:53
permalink #125 of 157: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Tue 7 Jan 25 08:53
Shoggoths interestingly combine limited intelligence with brute power. For xenophobic Lovecraft, the shoggoths were a manifestation of the much-feared other... sorta the worst thing you could imagine. "Formless protoplasm able to mock and reflect all forms and organs and processes - viscous agglutinations of bubbling cells - rubbery fifteen-foot spheroids infinitely plastic and ductile - slaves of suggestion, builders of cities - more and more sullen, more and more intelligent, more and more amphibious, more and more imitative! Great God! What madness made even those blasphemous Old Ones willing to use and carve such things?" The Old Ones figured they were creating cyborganic worker-bots, and found them useful. They evidently weren't put off by the smell or the slime - maybe for the old ones the stench was rather sweet.
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