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permalink #126 of 154: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 7 Jan 25 09:24
permalink #126 of 154: Craig Maudlin (clm) Tue 7 Jan 25 09:24
From the interdisciplinary science known as Chaos theory comes the idea of the 'strange attractor' > A strange attractor is a concept in dynamical systems that describes > a set of points toward which a chaotic system tends to evolve, > characterized by a fractal structure and sensitive dependence on > initial conditions. This means that small changes in the starting > state can lead to vastly different outcomes, making long-term > predictions difficult. When prediction is difficult, we tend to get point-clouds that look like fog, or gray goo -- which may simply reflect our sensible fear of the unknown (or the unknowable). A note from reading earlier in this topic: "mind control ray" as strange attractor the idea keeps coming up. But in the form of a *ray* ? (Was that really first a video game reference?) Perhaps the 'cathode ray' in the form of the CRTs during the old days of TeleVision might count as a "mind control ray" ? (A literal sort of "remote viewing"?) But then there's this image of "characteristic rays seen emanating from the solar disk" perhaps representing another form of "mind control" (?) from around 1350 BC -- humans may have been at this for a long time. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akhenaten#/media/File:La_salle_dAkhenaton_(1356- 1340_av_J.C.)_(Mus%C3%A9e_du_Caire)_(2076972086).jpg>
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permalink #127 of 154: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Tue 7 Jan 25 10:20
permalink #127 of 154: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Tue 7 Jan 25 10:20
When I started at TiVo (20-something years ago) there were a number of conspiracy threads that we had cameras in some units and were recording people as they watched TV. Now it's your TV that's "watching" you and collecting far more data than we ever did (or even could) collect at TiVo and nobody seems to mind.
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permalink #128 of 154: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 7 Jan 25 11:13
permalink #128 of 154: Virtual Sea Monkey (karish) Tue 7 Jan 25 11:13
I guess a shoggoth was a proto-glimmung, but smelled worse and didn't focus on building its intellect.
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permalink #129 of 154: JD Work (hstspect) Tue 7 Jan 25 13:44
permalink #129 of 154: JD Work (hstspect) Tue 7 Jan 25 13:44
The evolution of unmanned surface vessel fleets is truly on of those futures become real moments, just at about 100 years remove. Archibald Low (the father of TV & radio guided bombing and rocket guidance) wrote in 1923 of his prediction the war of 2023 will naturally be a wireless war .The wireless-controlled torpedo - equipped with wireless sighted periscope - will be a very useful factor . [1] Now, he had a bit of an edge on that unevenly distributed future, as he had built a first system in 1917, but the technology was not yet there when he made the prediction in the interwar period looking out the century. Adding satellite guidance, and remote weapons stations, gave us the various Sea Baby iterations in use in the Black Sea. (As well as the fight over Starlink as a civil or military infrastructure, thus substitution of Kometa) The prospect of a carrier platform for sUAS swarms might indeed prove to be a tipping point in warfare, at least as it was practiced in that late Cold War offset. One doesn't need to sink an opposing vessel to ensure mission kill by hitting sensors, mounts, and other much more vulnerable features. As we have indeed seen in loss of those various SAM radars and command cabs ashore. It also becomes a much less difficult problem for military AI, as silhouette recognition for specific weapons platforms is a much less difficult trained task than some of the more exotic ideas around hunter killer targeting. At some level of density of autonomous swarming unmanned systems, kinetic conflict likely takes on characteristics we at present associate with cyber conflict. Lethal servitors become tricky things in such environments. Especially as with any compute, we tend to build in more complexity by default than we really need, as it is cheaper to use general purpose processors programmed to task than to develop custom architectures for single purposes. (As Halvar Flake reminded us). But that leaves a lot of complexity on the table that can be maliciously weaponized, or that may evolve to other purpose. --- [1] A.M. Low, "How we shall fight in A.D. 2023", The 19th Century and After, (London: Constable & Company, 1923):354-358
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permalink #130 of 154: Fred Heutte (phred) Tue 7 Jan 25 15:42
permalink #130 of 154: Fred Heutte (phred) Tue 7 Jan 25 15:42
Switching to one of those moments that totally brings all the absurd vectors-of-now together: "California: Dozers have started to smash through roads filled with Mercedes, BMWs, Porsches, Teslas, and Bentleys that were abandoned in the middle of the roads blocking firefighters from responding to the Palisades Fire. #wildfire #cafire Now that the dozers have pushed these vehicles out of the way, they can now access houses that are on fire." https://x.com/HotshotWake/status/1876763437792969023 And you can watch it live, right now: https://ktla.com
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permalink #131 of 154: Fred Heutte (phred) Tue 7 Jan 25 15:55
permalink #131 of 154: Fred Heutte (phred) Tue 7 Jan 25 15:55
Live stream wildfire situational awareness as residents flee one of the wealthiest neighborhoods on the planet: https://cameras.alertcalifornia.org/?pos=34.0794_-118.5493_10&id=Axis-Hel6 9B
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permalink #132 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:11
permalink #132 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:11
Some context on that: > The blaze quickly jumped across Palisades Drive according to the California Department of Forestry and Fire Protection leaving many trying to evacuate in a precarious and chaotic situation. Some jumped out of their stalled cars to run toward the beach, other were forced to return home and shelter-in-place if they couldnt get out, residents told The Times. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-07/life-threatening-and-destr uctive-wind-storm-to-hit-southern-california-what-to-know
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permalink #133 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:15
permalink #133 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:15
I wonder if any of these wealthy residents were better prepared for wildfires?
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permalink #134 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:22
permalink #134 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:22
From a disaster preparedness point of view, two fundamental questions to answer are what if you cant stay? and what if you cant leave? To that, maybe we should add: what if you get stuck in traffic?
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permalink #135 of 154: Bruce Fox (brucefox) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:33
permalink #135 of 154: Bruce Fox (brucefox) Tue 7 Jan 25 16:33
An old commanding officer of mine had a home in Malibu. He had a pool and next to it a standard navy fire fighting pump, the type I had learned to run in fire fighting school. Years later I heard that in a big Malibu fire he stayed behind and saved the house using the pump, fire hoses and the pool water. Readiness is the greatest possible economy.
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permalink #136 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 18:41
permalink #136 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 18:41
There are probably insurance companies that are so glad they pulled out. The state wants to drag them back in, though: California will soon require insurers to increase home coverage in wildfire-prone areas <https://apnews.com/article/california-increases-home-insurance-wildfires-56486 f80c0f5f5e63b90db06d230f1d1>
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permalink #137 of 154: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Tue 7 Jan 25 19:11
permalink #137 of 154: @allartburns@mastodon.social @liberalgunsmith@defcon.social (jet) Tue 7 Jan 25 19:11
Tesla had remote-controlled watercraft, a "torpedo boat", in what, 1898? It was also battery propelled, so no combustion engine needed.
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permalink #138 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 20:41
permalink #138 of 154: Brian Slesinsky (bslesins) Tue 7 Jan 25 20:41
I'm wondering what the endgame is after drones start going after drone-carriers? Maybe mines, with drone-carriers mixed in that look exactly like the mines? Meanwhile, it seems Ukraine is successfully shipping out grain by routing it through territorial waters: > Russias withdrawal from the Black Sea Grain Initiative (BSGI) last July was met with international outcry. Ukraines allies and its food-importing trade partners feared a worst-case scenario for global food security and for Ukraines economy, with its farmers once again unable to export via Ukraines deepwater Black Sea ports. U.S. National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby stressed that theres no possible way, just mathematically, were going to get as much grain out now as we were going to be able to get out through the grain deal if it had been extended. > These worst-case scenarios have not played out. Global food prices, including grain prices, maintained a steady decline into 2024, in part due to increased agricultural exports from Ukraine. In mid-August 2023, following the cessation of the BSGI, Ukraine announced the Ukrainian corridor, a route passing through the territorial waters of North Atlantic Treaty Organizations member states of Romania, Bulgaria, and Turkey, which has enabled Ukraine to resume high volume shipments of agricultural products since October 2023. <https://www.csis.org/analysis/setting-record-straight-ukraines-grain-exports> So I guess the news from Ukraine isn't *all* bad?
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permalink #139 of 154: Alex Davie (icenine) Wed 8 Jan 25 07:44
permalink #139 of 154: Alex Davie (icenine) Wed 8 Jan 25 07:44
Slippage some what from a guy named Erik Davis whos writes on SubStack: Out of the Oven Plus News and Notes ERIK DAVIS JAN 2 READ IN APP The other day a friend sent me The Elite Capture of Substack, a post by Cydney Hayes that got a lot of play over the last year. The piece tracked the enshittification of the platform, principally through the introduction of Notes and the feedy shift in focus towards stacking and restacking and other social media circus acts. Hayes, deploying her generations uncanny appropriation of old hippie slang, described it as a vibe shift: From quality to quantity; from recognized intellect to symbolic trophies; from growth in our collective writing skills to growth in subscribers, and in turn, growth in users and profit for Substack. Its the sound of the hamster wheel spinning: click, click, click. I dont use Notes myself, unlike Hayes, who from all appearances posts there all the fucking time. My experience of the enshittification of the platform has more to do with the pressures put on users of the platform, readers as well as producers, to keep the flow coming fast and furious. As a reader, I tend to manage my Substack feeds in erratic bursts of feast or famine. Flush with a new-born fascination with Internet talk, and optimistic about an expanding universe of essay writing, I might subscribe to dozens of newsletters all at once, sometimes throwing my cash into the ring to show my commitment, to myself as much as anyone. Within a few weeks, the winnowing already begins, until soon enough I am left with only a couple regular newsletters in my inbox, which I still largely use rather that the Substack app. This condition persists until, moonlike, I wax expansive again, an enthusiasm for hot new discourse mingled with the anxiety that without some new feeds I will sink into a silo of my own making. The reality is that there just arent that many voices or points of view I want to hear from that regularly. I dont read online that much, or at least I try not to, especially when I want to get some serious work or play done, not to mention continue my devotion to reading deep and sometimes difficult, you know, books. Substack subscriptions pile up like stacks of New Yorkers, except in cyberspace. I would be happier if more people published essays at the rate I do here on Burning Shore, but I promise you that is not a successful strategy, at least by those measures of success that do not highly weight chillage. In more of this post, he then goes on to talk Western Materialistic Buddhism(WMB)and the practice of WMB, as per usual YMMV..I just found the enshittifaction of SubStack as a synchronicity to our discussion here.. Now back to your regular scheduled programming
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permalink #140 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:32
permalink #140 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:32
Some of us here know Erik, and I appreciate that he avoids committing too much mindshare to reading short-form online posts. Erik writes on various subjects, but much of his writing is about esoteric mysticism and phildickian subjects. Unlike Erik, I'm promiscuous with my mindshare. I'm deluged with newsletters, have thousands of sites bookmarked, use a newsreader called NewsBlur that tracks dozens of sites. I have accounts on Facebook, X, Mastodon, Bluesky, Tumblr, Flickr et al. I'm getting a firehose of data, and I'm looking for the signal in all that noise. I often wonder what that does to my head. But I've learned that multitasking isn't a thing, I'm only ever paying attention to one thing at a time. I devote a lot of time to conversation on the WELL. I do some reading. I consume stories via film and television. I listen to music quite a lot while all this other stuff is happening. And I spend some time just following my breath, meditating.
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permalink #141 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:33
permalink #141 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:33
What do my habits have to do with the state of the world? By exposing myself to so many sources of content, I have an idea of how much there is right now, and how diverse it is. And I know that any one person can only attend to so much - and actual work and life take much of that time and attention. So most people consume a fraction of the content I consume. Since there's so much of it, there are many ways to slice it. For a time, I was watching political channels (incorrectly labled "news" channels) on cable television, and committing much of my time to contemporary politics. When I was a youngster, this was pretty difficult: television networks had news broadcasts that were 15 minutes at the end of the day. Actual news was segregated from entertainment, and there wasn't much of it. We didn't have anything like 24/7 political infotainment, as we do now. People had political ideas, but their heads generally weren't colonized by propaganda machines. In fact politics was a necessary evil that was mostly handled by professional politicians, and that most of us chose to ignore.
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permalink #142 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:33
permalink #142 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:33
In the 60s, I felt pressure to do more to understand politics, to be more engaged and aware. I, and many like me, did that. We learned that the politics of the USA had dark and ugly aspects, and we wanted to work against those, so we became more politically active. I think what this did, over the years, was feed us into a different kind of political machine, a machine churning various forms of propaganda to support various initiatives, by now polarizing and somewhat chaotic. We live in a world where a climate emergency that endangers the planet is just another source of political conversation - a few care about it, a few are averse to caring about it for economic reasons, and many just ignore it because they don't know what to think. They might "believe" it, but at the same time ignore it, in the sense that they're not taking action to address the problem.
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permalink #143 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:33
permalink #143 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 08:33
The state of the world is ... flummoxed. Literate people have their slices of reality and their bundle of concerns, insofar as they have time to do much thinking, after a day's work, family management, etc. Politics is no longer professional, it's what you might call pro-am - professionals mixed with amateurs, all driven by a diversity of economic interests and cultural beliefs, and most less concerned with doing the people's work than with sustaining a popular media and social media presence, getting more money and more votes. We do have hard-working legislators, but we also have the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene, Matt Gaetz, and for a time, George Santos, and the volume of their barking drowns out sane and reasonable attempts at governance. (This is US-centric, but I think most countries have versions of the same predicament - politics as a vaudeville act. Though you might not be old enough to remember vaudeville.) Meanwhile I found that, when I stopped running the 24/7 background political yammering of cable news, I felt a bit saner. And I remind myself that politics done right is just grinding work to make the right decisions given a rainbow of interests and intentions that all have to be addressed - it's not show business. There's a whole other thing I picked up from Ted Gioia, about how the politics du jour is not left vs right, but up vs down. Maybe I'll get to that later.
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permalink #144 of 154: John Coate (tex) Wed 8 Jan 25 09:18
permalink #144 of 154: John Coate (tex) Wed 8 Jan 25 09:18
When TV first got going in earnest, Congress made them do news as a condition of using the public airwaves. They didn't want to do it because it wasn't profitable. I think it only became profitable when it became a sort of infotainment. And then, only for some. I think also that denial of big world events like the climate are often tied together with one's livelihood. I have a climate-denying friend who has a small trucking company that depends on diesel fuel, as one example. It seems like the thing so many can't face is the idea that one has to change habits, attitudes and one's chosen work. And that doesn't square with the capitalist dream.
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permalink #145 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 09:42
permalink #145 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Wed 8 Jan 25 09:42
Ideally when there's a world-threatening crisis, the finest scientific minds would be called together to find a solution. But with climate change, the crisis has been politicized with substantial weight given to a denial that any crisis exists. However the current state of thinking about climate change reflects an urgent consensus among scientists and many global stakeholders that it is a critical and accelerating crisis requiring immediate action, whatever that might be. Scientific evidence overwhelmingly confirms that human activities, particularly the burning of fossil fuels, deforestation, and industrial processes, are driving unprecedented global warming and associated impacts, such as extreme weather events and instability, rising sea levels, and biodiversity loss. We've made some progressin acknowledging the problem (e.g. the Paris Accord aiming to limit global temperature rise to 1.5degC above pre-industrial levels), but implementation of these goals ain't great. Technological innovations, renewable energy adoption, and climate adaptation strategies are hopeful, but these frustrating political, economic, and social barriers persist in derailing meaningful climate action. It's like shooting yourself in the foot with a thermonuclear bullet.
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permalink #146 of 154: Every Google search becomes a Turing test. (yesway) Wed 8 Jan 25 09:59
permalink #146 of 154: Every Google search becomes a Turing test. (yesway) Wed 8 Jan 25 09:59
The capitalist dream is a delusion. It may collapse from its own weight rather abruptly. Plenty of other conventions are collapsing because they are built on unsustainable delusions. Calling a corporate oligopoly a democracy doesnt make it work like one, so it will never deliver what the electorate wants. They will eventually become sufficiently disillusioned to perceive the unreality of the emperors outfit, and then all bets are off. The spread of divided democracies struggling to develop functional coalitions - Germany, France, South Korea, India - is very concerning. Now our next leader(with tiny congressional margins) is talking about pulling a Putin move and attempting to annex peaceable neighbors. The MFABT contingent is ascendant. Better prepare to turn pro, because the going is just getting weirder.
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permalink #147 of 154: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 8 Jan 25 10:52
permalink #147 of 154: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 8 Jan 25 10:52
"Can we replace Cory Doctorow with some more popular, more user-friendly AI simulacrum of the cultural functionality of Cory Doctorow?" I don't much like to pick on Cory on the WELL, although he volunteered, which was good of him. It seems to me that the Doctorovian debate position circa 02025 is "The platforms get it wrong in writing like me or any writer like me! They make big, blundering mistakes that invalidate the discussion." Those AIs will not "work better," in the sense of making some nuanced humanistic argument in politics, literature, or history, because they can't.
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permalink #148 of 154: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 8 Jan 25 10:52
permalink #148 of 154: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 8 Jan 25 10:52
I don't agree with that, any more than I think that an AI graphic generator will never ever draw proper human hands. But I'll offer one entertaining iron-man argument in favor of Cory's position. Everybody who is reading this agrees that "Computers can play chess," right? If there's any arena where computers can kick human-beings to the curb, and in the full glare of humankind marveling and fretting about that, it surely must be the game of chess. Chess is the drosophila fruit-fly of AI computer-science. Chess is a "game" that is "deterministic" and "fully-defined," am I right? So you cannot have, like, a chess pawn in any chess game, which is somehow a foggy, ill-defined "literary metaphor of a pawn," or a "futuristic quadrant-model of a pawn," or a "quantum Schroedinger-cat pawn" which is on the board while also somehow off the board. Not until now, anyway. Check this out. https://youtu.be/FojyYKU58cw?si=d8sB2UGfFS0zdh3a
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permalink #149 of 154: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 8 Jan 25 10:53
permalink #149 of 154: Bruce Sterling (bruces) Wed 8 Jan 25 10:53
Here you've got two big-deal billion-buck contemporary AIs. This antic human YouTube chess entertainer inveigles them to play against each other. They're both powerful systems, but they've never been directly constrained and trained to accurately "play chess". Yet they can't frankly admit that they're lousy at chess. They're too honest, harmless and helpful for that. So they spontaneously invent very high-powered "Gray Ooze Chess." They both stochastically-parrot some chess-like activities. So they commit ludicrous "mistakes." To lose at chess is easy, but to lose at chess in this way is beyond merely human capacity. You could laugh them off to hell and gone, unless you encountered an AI which is specialized to play chess. In which case, it would crush you into dust at chess, and also an army of a thousand of you, and also every previous computational form of chess machine ever made.
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permalink #150 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 9 Jan 25 06:58
permalink #150 of 154: Jon Lebkowsky (jonl) Thu 9 Jan 25 06:58
Terrible wildfires in the Los Angeles area of California/USA. If you look at Greenpeace's global fire map at <https://maps.greenpeace.org/fire_dashboard/>, you see that those fires are part of almost 5,000 global hotspots. Climate change worsens wildfires globally by creating hotter, drier, and more volatile conditions that increase the likelihood and intensity of fire outbreaks. Hotter temperatures dry out vegetation, which becomes highly flammable fuel. Longer periods of drought reduce soil moisture and make ecosystems more susceptible to ignition. And climate change makes extreme weather patterns even more extreme - like heatwaves and strong winds, which cause wildfires to spread farther and faster. Regions that were already prone to wildfires now have longer fire seasons with devastating impacts on ecosystems, communities, and air quality. It's just gonna get worse. So one way to see the state of the world is HOT, and getting hotter.
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